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    Re: Death Penalty, for or against

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    Re: Death Penalty, for or against

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    I prefer the KISS principle. Keep it simple, stupid. I fail to find sympathy with cold blooded murders. I see no reason to treat cold blooded murders with kid's glove and give them all the niceties of the world. If I had my way, each individual murderer would be killed in the exact fashion they killed whomever they killed. Actually if one stops and thinks about it, the guillotine is swift, quick and relative painless.

    say what you will, but in my opinion there is something wrong in a society that give murderers more sympathy than the victims and the people they killed. you can have all the sympathy you want for murderers and killers, myself, my sympathy lies with those whom they killed, wounded and made to suffer.
    : "I didn't do it - I don't care who saw me" seems to be the norm these days. While years of appeals are taking place, we feed, house, and clothe people who have committed murder and other heinous crimes. While dispatching them the same way they did their victims seems fair and just to me, we're so "civilized" today that much care is taken that they don't "suffer!" WTH? For my part, they should all be lobotomized if people are reluctant to have them killed! Maybe that might serve as a deterrent because nothing else seems to work!

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    Re: Death Penalty, for or against

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    I wasn't alive when the Manson murders happened, but I think society got more out of by them serving life. We saw them rehabilitated, even turn to God, and try to offer insight to what lead them to be taken in by Manson and eager to follow him. They were essentially deprogrammed after being brainwashed. I am glad that they experienced that and realized to the full extent what they did, and how they hurt others. I think that that is better than putting them to death while they are brainwashed and incapable of seeing their actions. They were young people, and they are going to live a long time with knowing what they did. That is greater punishment than brainwashed loons going to death thinking they are martyrs.
    That reminds me of 1984, how in the novel the state would ensure that someone was rehabilitated and loved Big Brother, then saw fit to execute them.

    In this sense, though, that makes a lot of sense. Perhaps instead of a quick death the real issue should be trying to convey to the person what they did and make them feel how they've wronged someone. A lot of people wouldn't get it, but that would still be a hell of a punishment in its own right for those who would break down and realize what they've done. Curious how many people might attempt to take their own life after such treatment.

    That Oklahoma man who raped and killed an infant? I don't think he'd get it. Nevertheless, interesting post.
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    Re: Death Penalty, for or against

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    : "I didn't do it - I don't care who saw me" seems to be the norm these days. While years of appeals are taking place, we feed, house, and clothe people who have committed murder and other heinous crimes. While dispatching them the same way they did their victims seems fair and just to me, we're so "civilized" today that much care is taken that they don't "suffer!" WTH? For my part, they should all be lobotomized if people are reluctant to have them killed! Maybe that might serve as a deterrent because nothing else seems to work!

    Greetings, Pero.
    lobotomized, that works for me. I really do wonder about a society that puts more sympathy on those who murder, pillage and rape than on their victims. It's like, shame on your for being a victim. You deserved what you got. It is "Oh you poor boy, you murdered those people and tortured them, so we will be extra nice to you and make sure you do not suffer. Pity the murderer and not those who committed the murder, such is our society today.
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    Re: Death Penalty, for or against

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    lobotomized, that works for me. I really do wonder about a society that puts more sympathy on those who murder, pillage and rape than on their victims. It's like, shame on your for being a victim. You deserved what you got. It is "Oh you poor boy, you murdered those people and tortured them, so we will be extra nice to you and make sure you do not suffer. Pity the murderer and not those who committed the murder, such is our society today.
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    Re: Death Penalty, for or against

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    Our constitution forbids the use of punishment deemed cruel and unusual.
    I do not think the guillotine is either cruel or unusual. What I think is cruel is to have more pity, more sympathy, to ensure those who murder, pilliage and rape are treated better than the victims.

    I suppose it all depends on your or my definition of cruel and unusual, but in reality it is not what you and me think that is. It is what those 9 men and women in black robes think it is.
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    Re: Death Penalty, for or against

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    I do not think the guillotine is either cruel or unusual. What I think is cruel is to have more pity, more sympathy, to ensure those who murder, pilliage and rape are treated better than the victims.

    I suppose it all depends on your or my definition of cruel and unusual, but in reality it is not what you and me think that is. It is what those 9 men and women in black robes think it is.
    Consider the fact that few countries use the death penalty these days.
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    Re: Death Penalty, for or against

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    The only person who should decide whether a person lives or dies is God. Even a convicted killer should die in God's time, not the government's.
    Exactly. I am an atheist, but one does not have believe in literal, biblical God to see the danger of idolatry. Giving State the authority to kill someone who is neutralized, isolated and harmless means endowing a demonstrably flawed human institution with the God-like power of final judgment.

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    Re: Death Penalty, for or against

    Quote Originally Posted by Lachean View Post
    You'd hand a death penalty inmate a loaded gun?
    No, I would leave it on a table in a room without a window.
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    Re: Death Penalty, for or against

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    Consider the fact that few countries use the death penalty these days.
    My mom used to say, "If someone jumps off the roof, does that mean you have to jump too." If other countries think coddling murderers and give more sympathy and pitty to those who murder, rape and pillage, does not mean this country has to. Just like I do not have to jump off the roof just because someone else does. KISS, I go by that principal.
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