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    was this actually "Botched"?

    "McALESTER, Okla. A botched execution that used a new drug combination left an Oklahoma inmate writhing and clenching his teeth on the gurney Tuesday, leading prison officials to halt the proceedings before the inmate's eventual death from a heart attack.
    Clayton Lockett, 38, was declared unconscious 10 minutes after the first of the state's new three-drug lethal injection combination was administered. Three minutes later, though, he began breathing heavily, writhing, clenching his teeth and straining to lift his head off the pillow.



    The blinds were eventually lowered to prevent those in the viewing gallery from watching what was happening in the death chamber, and the state's top prison official eventually called a halt to the proceedings. Lockett died of a heart attack a short time later, the Department of Corrections said.
    "It was a horrible thing to witness. This was totally botched," said Lockett's attorney, David Autry."
    Okla. inmate dies of heart attack after botched execution | Fox News


    Does it rally matter "HOW" we kill the people we decide need to die?

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    Re: was this actually "Botched"?

    Quote Originally Posted by tecoyah View Post
    "McALESTER, Okla. – A botched execution that used a new drug combination left an Oklahoma inmate writhing and clenching his teeth on the gurney Tuesday, leading prison officials to halt the proceedings before the inmate's eventual death from a heart attack.
    Clayton Lockett, 38, was declared unconscious 10 minutes after the first of the state's new three-drug lethal injection combination was administered. Three minutes later, though, he began breathing heavily, writhing, clenching his teeth and straining to lift his head off the pillow.



    The blinds were eventually lowered to prevent those in the viewing gallery from watching what was happening in the death chamber, and the state's top prison official eventually called a halt to the proceedings. Lockett died of a heart attack a short time later, the Department of Corrections said.
    "It was a horrible thing to witness. This was totally botched," said Lockett's attorney, David Autry."
    Okla. inmate dies of heart attack after botched execution | Fox News

    Does it rally matter "HOW" we kill the people we decide need to die?
    Errr, yes! We cannot really burn them alive can we? Some civility should be in order! What sort of a question is that?
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    Re: was this actually "Botched"?

    Wait, they stopped trying to kill someone they were trying to kill because they weren't killing him the right way? And then he died?

    I found this:
    Bornt wrote a letter Feb. 7 stating: "Clayton being put to death by lethal injection is almost too easy of a way to die after what he did to us. ... He will just be strapped to the table and will go to sleep and his heart will stop beating."
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    Re: was this actually "Botched"?

    Why not just use general anesthesia? Its good enough for surgery and used all the friggin time? and then any number of death sentences will be painless.

    However, this is a good read. Its actually cheaper just to someone in prison for life (which is what I personally support)

    To execute or not: A question of cost? - US news - Crime & courts | NBC News

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    Re: was this actually "Botched"?

    Quote Originally Posted by DDD View Post
    Errr, yes! We cannot really burn them alive can we? Some civility should be in order! What sort of a question is that?
    One intended to generate response and hopefully thought.....seems to have worked.

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    Re: was this actually "Botched"?

    I'm unclear as well why they don't just use general anesthesia. Hell, just give them a bottle of Jack Daniels.

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    Re: was this actually "Botched"?

    While it sucks that perhaps things didn't go "as planned" - I have a hard time feeling sorry for the guy.

    If anything I feel bad for the people that had to deal with the situation.

    In the end....the result was what the courts decided his fate should be.

    Clearly - the means to the end needs to be fixed.

    I don't get it though, when I've had to put down dogs, they get one shot and basically go right to sleep.
    What's so hard about doing that with a human being?

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    Re: was this actually "Botched"?

    Quote Originally Posted by AliHajiSheik View Post
    I'm unclear as well why they don't just use general anesthesia. Hell, just give them a bottle of Jack Daniels.
    I prefer the 10 cent solution.

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    Re: was this actually "Botched"?

    Quote Originally Posted by tecoyah View Post
    "McALESTER, Okla. – A botched execution that used a new drug combination left an Oklahoma inmate writhing and clenching his teeth on the gurney Tuesday, leading prison officials to halt the proceedings before the inmate's eventual death from a heart attack.
    Clayton Lockett, 38, was declared unconscious 10 minutes after the first of the state's new three-drug lethal injection combination was administered. Three minutes later, though, he began breathing heavily, writhing, clenching his teeth and straining to lift his head off the pillow.



    The blinds were eventually lowered to prevent those in the viewing gallery from watching what was happening in the death chamber, and the state's top prison official eventually called a halt to the proceedings. Lockett died of a heart attack a short time later, the Department of Corrections said.
    "It was a horrible thing to witness. This was totally botched," said Lockett's attorney, David Autry."
    Okla. inmate dies of heart attack after botched execution | Fox News


    Does it rally matter "HOW" we kill the people we decide need to die?
    Well... first off, the state shouldn't be killing its own citizens to begin with. The death penalty should be abolished.

    But lets put that to the side for now.
    Different executions have different meanings. Like shooting someone against the wall is a typical method of dealing with traitors or deserters. Hanging is a very versatile method used by people typically to discourage rebellion or dissent. It was used in armies and by oppression groups.
    Crucifiction ofc, is another method of execution that had one meaning to the pre-Christian romans and another to Christians.
    etc.

    Death by poison was always considered the most "civilized" way to die. That's why it was always used by, say, nobility to commit suicide in ancient times. Cleopatra is probably the most recognizable example of this. She poisoned herself. Another example is Eva Braun and even Hitler. They took cyanide. Anyway. Therefore, aside from poison getting this determination that it's a more "humane" way to die it's also gained this dimension when it is a more willing choice of death. Because so many people took the poison on their own accord. It was their choice as opposed to the alternative that was in store. So that's why this is the method of choice today in the countries like the USA, who keep this barbaric method and execute their people, to poison the people who sentenced to die. You can say it's "Drug induced death" but it's just basically still poison.

    The chair is a novelty and I don't know if people still use it but it doesn't really have much a historic dimension to it, as the methods of execution described earlier.

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    Re: was this actually "Botched"?

    I think prisoners who receive the death penalty do not necessarily have to die completely painlessly, but we should not make their deaths needlessly barbaric either. Whatever Oklahoma is using isn't working obviously, and there are likely better ways to do it.

    General anesthesia would be a good start, and then you can use any number or ways without causing them pain. Or just strap them down and hook them up to a ventilator feeding them an inert gas like nitrogen or helium. There won't be any CO2 buildup in the blood, so they won't get the suffocating feeling, they'll just pass out and die shortly afterward from lack of oxygen.
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