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was this actually "Botched"?

Does it actually matter?

  • No....he deserved to die a harrible death.

    Votes: 7 21.2%

  • Yes....Everyone should die with dignity.

    Votes: 12 36.4%

  • I simply do not care what happened to this bastard.

    Votes: 6 18.2%

  • He died a better death than his victim.

    Votes: 8 24.2%
  • Total voters
    33
This man had a better death then his victim, he ambushed his victim who did nothing wrong , and shot her, then buried her alive. Sadly there is almost no way to make him experince the same exept doiung what was done to his victam. which our government will never do.
 
Cephus said:
Then hire some soldiers. Problem solved.
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I've sometimes thought that perhaps the actual action that causes the executee's death ought to be carried out by a fellow criminal, perhaps someone who's turn is next.

I'm of the belief that as necessary as it may be, one cannot kill another human being, and not be damaged by the experience. Why not let the executioner be someone who, by his own fault and his own choice, is already damaged in such a manner, rather than someone who has not yet been so damaged? There may even be some minor “humaneness” benefit to this idea; the executioner may attempt to be as humane as he can be to his subject, in hope that his executioner will be the same toward him.
 
tecoyah said:
Though I prefer not to reply to people like yourself....I will do so in an attempt to educate.

The united States military are not a free service to the states, even the state national guard are expensive (though subsidized). The cost of using our military for a firing squad might very well exceed the cost of current choices....though I admit I do not know the detailed cost analysis.
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The use of military personnel for civil justice would probably also violate the Posse Comitatus act.
 
Cephus said:
I'm entirely fine with knocking them out, then putting a bullet in their head. It's fast, it's cheap and it allows us to harvest their organs. Why do people purposely make this more difficult than it needs to be?
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I'm not really sure. If general anesthesia was used, there would be any number of simple easy ways to kill a person.
 
There seems no reason to be "Nice" once someone is sentenced to death by our legal system, nor is retribution called for.

You have done something that society deems worthy of death...society should simply get is done as quickly and efficiently as possible.


Remove the wart...do not try to treat it.
 
A of people reading this thread, who die of "natural causes", will suffer much more and much longer than this man did... so my sympathy is limited.
 
tecoyah said:
Though I prefer not to reply to people like yourself....
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What, you mean people who know more than you?

The united States military are not a free service to the states, even the state national guard are expensive (though subsidized). The cost of using our military for a firing squad might very well exceed the cost of current choices....though I admit I do not know the detailed cost analysis.
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These are people who are already paid for and most of them are sitting on bases in the U.S. doing nothing. I'm sure something could be worked out.
 
molten_dragon said:
I'm not really sure. If general anesthesia was used, there would be any number of simple easy ways to kill a person.
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I'm all in favor of that. In fact, I think that the guillotine is the best method because it doesn't cause any damage to the harvestable organs and you even get to take the eyes for corneal transplants. We might as well get something out of this worthless hunk of human trash.
 
Cephus said:
What, you mean people who know more than you?



These are people who are already paid for and most of them are sitting on bases in the U.S. doing nothing. I'm sure something could be worked out.
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You obviously know more than me...you're welcome.
 
Rainman05 said:
Well... first off, the state shouldn't be killing its own citizens to begin with. The death penalty should be abolished.
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I agree, but we should prioritize. Capital punishment should be abolished as soon as we've eliminated murder from society.
 
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I will not respond to the poll as the choices seem too flippant. But, to answer the question "was this actually "Botched" in reference to the execution? The answer is yes.
 
Oftencold said:
I agree, but we should prioritize. Capital punishment should be abolished as soon as we've eliminated murder from society.
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Well that's just brilliant.
 
Cephus said:
I'm all in favor of that. In fact, I think that the guillotine is the best method because it doesn't cause any damage to the harvestable organs and you even get to take the eyes for corneal transplants. We might as well get something out of this worthless hunk of human trash.
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Or you could always just insert a few IVs and drain all their blood out. You could even use the blood for donations at that point (unless the anesthesia means it can't be used).

A guillotine would certainly work though.
 
Oftencold said:
What, the murderer isn't dead now?
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"We have a fundamental standard in this country that even when the death penalty is justified, it must be carried out humanely -- and I think everyone would recognize that this case fell short of that standard," White House spokesman Jay Carney said Wednesday. - Source​

The state did not follow its own execution protocol.
 
The fact that it was botched matters, we have a Constitutional prohibition against cruel and unusual punishment and the courts have found some methods of execution to be cruel.

That said I have no sympathy for this subhuman. I save my sympathy for his victim and her family and for the innocent people on death row - approx 3% given stats I recently saw - which is why I can't ever support the death penalty much as it may be deserved in some cases.
 
Paxaeon said:
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"We have a fundamental standard in this country that even when the death penalty is justified, it must be carried out humanely -- and I think everyone would recognize that this case fell short of that standard," White House spokesman Jay Carney said Wednesday. - Source​

The state did not follow its own execution protocol.
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Please cite the "Humane Execution" clause for me.

You want a humane execution? Fine. Arrange to have an executioner sneaK up behind the condemned murderer on an unannounced day and quickly fire a havy gauge shotgun into the back of the killer's head.

I can't think of a more humane execution. Not only will the murderer never know what hit him, he'll never kniow in this life that he was hit. His skull and the brain it contains will disintegrate faster than nerve impulses could carry any awareness.

Problem solved. Or is it?

Because if you object to this completely painless method, you're not objecting out of humanitarian concerns for the condemned, but from your squeamishness and offended sense of aesthetics
 
tecoyah said:
"McALESTER, Okla. – A botched execution that used a new drug combination left an Oklahoma inmate writhing and clenching his teeth on the gurney Tuesday, leading prison officials to halt the proceedings before the inmate's eventual death from a heart attack.
Clayton Lockett, 38, was declared unconscious 10 minutes after the first of the state's new three-drug lethal injection combination was administered. Three minutes later, though, he began breathing heavily, writhing, clenching his teeth and straining to lift his head off the pillow.



The blinds were eventually lowered to prevent those in the viewing gallery from watching what was happening in the death chamber, and the state's top prison official eventually called a halt to the proceedings. Lockett died of a heart attack a short time later, the Department of Corrections said.
"It was a horrible thing to witness. This was totally botched," said Lockett's attorney, David Autry."
Okla. inmate dies of heart attack after botched execution | Fox News


Does it rally matter "HOW" we kill the people we decide need to die?
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According to the US Constitution...yes.
 
tecoyah said:
"McALESTER, Okla. – A botched execution that used a new drug combination left an Oklahoma inmate writhing and clenching his teeth on the gurney Tuesday, leading prison officials to halt the proceedings before the inmate's eventual death from a heart attack.
Clayton Lockett, 38, was declared unconscious 10 minutes after the first of the state's new three-drug lethal injection combination was administered. Three minutes later, though, he began breathing heavily, writhing, clenching his teeth and straining to lift his head off the pillow.

The blinds were eventually lowered to prevent those in the viewing gallery from watching what was happening in the death chamber, and the state's top prison official eventually called a halt to the proceedings. Lockett died of a heart attack a short time later, the Department of Corrections said.
"It was a horrible thing to witness. This was totally botched," said Lockett's attorney, David Autry."
Okla. inmate dies of heart attack after botched execution | Fox News

Does it rally matter "HOW" we kill the people we decide need to die?
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It matters to the witnesses and his/her family. And it should matter to all of us. It most certainly matters to the condemned. It sounds as if he went into convulsions. We'll never know if his conscious mind knew what was going on, but I'd be surprised if that were so.

Why did the prison use some new drug combination? If it ain't broke, why they heck are they fixing it?
 
Oftencold said:
Please cite the "Humane Execution" clause for me.

You want a humane execution? Fine. Arrange to have an executioner sneaK up behind the condemned murderer on an unannounced day and quickly fire a havy gauge shotgun into the back of the killer's head.

I can't think of a more humane execution. Not only will the murderer never know what hit him, he'll never kniow in this life that he was hit. His skull and the brain it contains will disintegrate faster than nerve impulses could carry any awareness.

Problem solved. Or is it?

Because if you object to this completely painless method, you're not objecting out of humanitarian concerns for the condemned, but from your squeamishness and offended sense of aesthetics
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I love how people project psychotic acts to delievering justice.
 
tecoyah said:
These are not soldiers....they are employees and not trained to kill.

In this way, they do not know to feel guilt.
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Prison guards not trained to kill? Clearly you don't know any prison guards.
 
1750Texan said:
I love how people project psychotic acts to delievering justice.
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Justine I leave up to God. This refers to conducting an execution.

If you object to the method I describe, please explain why. I hope that you can do better than a variation upon "messy."
 
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