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Is There Too Much Political Correctness Now?

Is there too much political correctness now?


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We get it, you hate criticism. You hate consequences. You want to be able to do whatever you want, within the law, and no one is allowed to say anything. With a bit of maturity, you'll realize how stupid that position is.

Nobody LIKES criticism, but I don't hate it. And everybody should expect to live with the consequences of the choices they make. But also, everybody should still have the unalienable right to be who and what they are that violates nobody else's rights and they should be able to be that without fear that some mob will descend upon them to punish them for their political incorrectness.

I say this for the benefit of those capable of being educated or persuaded on this subject and not for one who responded to my most with absurd non sequitur and ad hominem.
 
Nobody LIKES criticism, but I don't hate it.

Therein lies your distaste for education. I like criticism. PC is criticism. It's not physical beatings. Put your strawman aside and accept that words and actions have consequences.
 
I'd still like to know what people who rail against political correctness want to say, exactly.
 
you missed my point. anyone who doesn't follow someone's vision of Republican orthodoxy is considered a non=Republican a RINO. RINO is used to silent dissent in the party.

I don't agree with your definition of RINO. To me, and I believe what most people mean when they use the term, is to identify those who supports concepts in opposition to the Republican platform or consensus or who hold views in opposition to the Republican platform or consensus. It is intended as a critical or insulting term and is NOT intended to silence dissent within the party.

It is no different than calling somebody a liberal or conservative or partisan or ideologue--all also often used to be critical or insulting, but are not intended to silence dissent.

It certainly is NOT political correctness that would physically and/or materially try to hurt somebody because of their observations about something or the opinions or point of view that they hold.
 
Therein lies your distaste for education. I like criticism. PC is criticism. It's not physical beatings. Put your strawman aside and accept that words and actions have consequences.

Could somebody else who understands anything ecofarm is saying please take over with him for me? I only have time for discussions with those who are having a conservation about the same thing I am discussing.
 
Just an observation from the Sterling fallout in the NBA, or CEO's resigning because they supported a political cause that was unpopular with the masses or the usual media fauxrage (Huffington Post headlines cough cough) that every time some politician (usually from the GOP) makes some sort of statement about gays or minorities or anything that the mainstream thinks is unacceptable and must be spread out across the internet so that outrage can pile on outrage. Is it getting out of hand or should it continue?

Vote and be heard.

When some GOP makes a rape, or gay, racial observation, the GOP big whigs are there jumping on him as well.
 
Just an observation from the Sterling fallout in the NBA, or CEO's resigning because they supported a political cause that was unpopular with the masses or the usual media fauxrage (Huffington Post headlines cough cough) that every time some politician (usually from the GOP) makes some sort of statement about gays or minorities or anything that the mainstream thinks is unacceptable and must be spread out across the internet so that outrage can pile on outrage. Is it getting out of hand or should it continue?

Vote and be heard.

I think that there's things that are politically correct on the right also. For example, you wouldn't stand in front of the Tea Party and say "I favor raising taxes." It's not "politically correct." Gay marriage isn't "politically correct" to the Religious Right, so you wouldn't dare talk to them about being in favor of it.

By limiting your version of "PC" to only the left is a very narrow definition. Besides which, what's PC changes over time. In 1914, it was completely acceptable to say that black people were genetically inferior. You wouldn't get away with that in any circles, left or right, in 2014.
 
I'd still like to know what people who rail against political correctness want to say, exactly.

I don't get it either. If you want to run around saying "n*gger" and "f*ggot" you can. People might not like you, but you can. For all we hear about "the right isn't racist," you'd think that racially insulting language would be equally offensive to them. I don't think that the GOP is racist, but why are the RWers so concerned about "PC?" They have their own things that aren't acceptable to them.
 
Could somebody else who understands anything ecofarm is saying please take over with him for me? I only have time for discussions with those who are having a conservation about the same thing I am discussing.

It must be horrible to have no understanding of what PC is at all. Good luck.
 
"....merely an abstract tool for social control??!!!!"

Political Correctness is a cancer that has infested all aspects of American life, particularly the revisionist indoctrination halls of academia.

To attempt to downplay it's devastating effects upon the American culture is unbelievable. We've had sixty years of this "mere abstract tool" and one only needs to step outside the front door to survey the devastation caused to the former most beautiful country in the world.

We can't talk about that though, can we?
Sure we can talk about it, can you list some specific examples?
 
I don't get it either. If you want to run around saying "n*gger" and "f*ggot" you can. People might not like you, but you can. For all we hear about "the right isn't racist," you'd think that racially insulting language would be equally offensive to them. I don't think that the GOP is racist, but why are the RWers so concerned about "PC?" They have their own things that aren't acceptable to them.

This RW-er is just as offended at words like 'n*gger' and 'f*aggot' intended to insult or demean somebody as anybody else. I do not like to be around people who use such words, and, if the situation warrants it, I will tell them so. But that does not extrapolate to me organizing a protest or boycott intended to physically and/or materially harm somebody who uses such language.

And THAT is the problem I have with political correctness. When it is used as an excuse to organize to harm somebody physically and/or materially, it is wrong. It is un-American. It is evil. And it should be condemned by all who value our unalienable right to be who and what we are, to think the thoughts that we think, to believe what we believe, to say what we think, with impunity so long as we do not violate anybody else's rights. And there is no right not to be offended. There should be a right to not be physically and/or materially harmed for who and what we are when we have not violated anybody else's rights.
 
I don't agree with your definition of RINO. To me, and I believe what most people mean when they use the term, is to identify those who supports concepts in opposition to the Republican platform or consensus or who hold views in opposition to the Republican platform or consensus. It is intended as a critical or insulting term and is NOT intended to silence dissent within the party.

It is no different than calling somebody a liberal or conservative or partisan or ideologue--all also often used to be critical or insulting, but are not intended to silence dissent.

It certainly is NOT political correctness that would physically and/or materially try to hurt somebody because of their observations about something or the opinions or point of view that they hold.

A little recent historical input regarding the term RINO. (Republican In Name Only)

The term first appeared in the early 1900's and went dormant for decades until Celeste Greig, former President of the California Republican Assembly (CRA) the same CRA that Ronald Reagan belonged to during the 1970's. It was Celeste Greig who resurrected the term RINO from the graveyard.

Today most true Republican conservatives refer to non conservatives with in the Republican Party as being RINO's. Neoconservatives are RINO's. It's not a political derogatory term. If your not a true conservative with in the GOP, you're a RINO. Nothing wrong with being a RINO.

The Republican conservative base of the Republican Party have been out of power in the Republican Party since the late 1990's when the neoconservatives gained control of the GOP for the first time in history of the GOP. But in 2010 the neoconservatives lost control of the GOP in 2010 mostly because of the Tea Party movement.

Unfortunately today, nobody is in control of the GOP.

As for the Democrat Party, the liberals (JFK, LBJ liberals) lost control of the Democrat Party in the early/mid 1970's when the "New Left" radical extremest from the radical left gained control of the Democrat Party by first hiding behind the liberal label to get elected to public office and after dirtying that label during the 1980's many would hide behind the progressive label. The radical left has been in complete control of the Democrat Party since 1976.

What you have in todays Democrat Party are a bunch of DINO's, LINO's and PINOs.
 
I think that there's things that are politically correct on the right also. For example, you wouldn't stand in front of the Tea Party and say "I favor raising taxes." It's not "politically correct." Gay marriage isn't "politically correct" to the Religious Right, so you wouldn't dare talk to them about being in favor of it.

By limiting your version of "PC" to only the left is a very narrow definition. Besides which, what's PC changes over time. In 1914, it was completely acceptable to say that black people were genetically inferior. You wouldn't get away with that in any circles, left or right, in 2014.

Actually, if the person was there in support of the Tea Party, he wouldn't say those words because he doesn't believe that taxes should be raised. It wouldn't be because he doesn't want to be "politically incorrect". Come on, rocket - you know that.
 
Want to say about what?

Uh, that's my question. What do people who hate political correctness want to say but don't feel they can say it because of political correctness?
 
Actually, if the person was there in support of the Tea Party, he wouldn't say those words because he doesn't believe that taxes should be raised. It wouldn't be because he doesn't want to be "politically incorrect". Come on, rocket - you know that.

If they supported the TP, yes. What if they were just speaking to the group? Let's say a moderate Republican pol favored a tax raise, he wouldn't dare say it for fear of the TP. It's not that much different.
 
This RW-er is just as offended at words like 'n*gger' and 'f*aggot' intended to insult or demean somebody as anybody else. I do not like to be around people who use such words, and, if the situation warrants it, I will tell them so. But that does not extrapolate to me organizing a protest or boycott intended to physically and/or materially harm somebody who uses such language.

And THAT is the problem I have with political correctness. When it is used as an excuse to organize to harm somebody physically and/or materially, it is wrong. It is un-American. It is evil. And it should be condemned by all who value our unalienable right to be who and what we are, to think the thoughts that we think, to believe what we believe, to say what we think, with impunity so long as we do not violate anybody else's rights. And there is no right not to be offended. There should be a right to not be physically and/or materially harmed for who and what we are when we have not violated anybody else's rights.

There is such a thing as PR if there's business interests. The NBA doesn't want its brand tarnished with racism any more than the owner of a Kosher deli wants his brand tarnished with anti-semitism. If the owner of this deli fired someone because they suddenly came in one day with a swastika tattoo, I'd totally understand that.
 
If they supported the TP, yes. What if they were just speaking to the group? Let's say a moderate Republican pol favored a tax raise, he wouldn't dare say it for fear of the TP. It's not that much different.

Somehow I don't see the Tea Party inviting anyone to speak to them who they know is in favor of increasing taxes.;) Nor would a politician who wanted to raise taxes waste his time speaking to the TP. Then again, politicians are the most confusing critters in the world.
 
There is such a thing as PR if there's business interests. The NBA doesn't want its brand tarnished with racism any more than the owner of a Kosher deli wants his brand tarnished with anti-semitism. If the owner of this deli fired someone because they suddenly came in one day with a swastika tattoo, I'd totally understand that.

Would you support a Bible manufacturer who supplies Bibles to Evangelical churches deciding that a gay woman executive is bad for their image and letting her go because of business interests?
 
There is such a thing as PR if there's business interests. The NBA doesn't want its brand tarnished with racism any more than the owner of a Kosher deli wants his brand tarnished with anti-semitism. If the owner of this deli fired someone because they suddenly came in one day with a swastika tattoo, I'd totally understand that.

Beside, what company would not disenfranchise an owner who insists employees' paychecks are handouts?

It's ridiculous. No one would want to work for that guy.
 
There is such a thing as PR if there's business interests. The NBA doesn't want its brand tarnished with racism any more than the owner of a Kosher deli wants his brand tarnished with anti-semitism. If the owner of this deli fired someone because they suddenly came in one day with a swastika tattoo, I'd totally understand that.

When I was running a business, any employee of mine that presumed to treat somebody badly because of their race or religion or ethnicity or whatever, or who used one of those hateful characterizations in public would have been quickly out the door with a strong admonition to never come back. I also once ran an organization that was within a much larger organization that had specific guidelines and principles that we were all supposed to support and emulate, and failure to do so could cost us our franchise and the right to use our organizational name.

These are rules that everybody understood and agreed to abide by and understood the consequences for violating them. And whatever disciplinary measures were taken were within my business or within that organization and had absolutely nothing to do with political correctness. That is also the case with Sterling and the NBA. He broke their rules, so they say, and he is subject to the consequences of breaking those rules, and so be it. That also has nothing to do with political correctness.

But, outside of the parameters agreed to by any individuals via legal or social contract, each of us has the unalienable right to be who and what we are. When somebody would organize to punish or hurt us physically and/or materially for no other reason than they disagree with what we believe, think, or say, THAT is political correctness. And it violates our unalienable right to be who and what we are with impunity so long as we violate nobody else's unalienable rights. And it is evil.

When it requires no contribution or participation by me and/or no affect on me or my property, I should have no right to dictate to you what you must believe or think or write or speak in order to avoid my punishing you.
 
Political correctness does not take away the right to free speech, it just invokes societal ramifications on what is said. In other words, a person is still free to be a douche, but people are also free to point it out.

Now, in today's usage, PC means when some one complains about something you like, they are being PC. Or to put it another way, what is the difference between complaining about some one making racial comments, and complaining about some one complaining about racial comments? People who bitch the loudest about PC are usually being PC, and just do not even know it.

Ya, because there. Is a point of being reasonable and not be ignorant. However, when you gotta watch what you say at all times, and now worry that your comments will make it on YouTube for fear of losing your job, your reputation... And then claim you still have "free speech".

Then, who decides? Look at "Eskimo" some got all terry eyed about Eskimo because some people in the past said it with disdain, so now, they prefer to be called "Inuit". So, your Eskimo pies are now racist because some pissants got offended. Where even some elements of their culture are offended by the term Inuit (a minority of them I'm sure).

Let's say a person talks about Eskimos, because he didn't know, nothing bad, just saying how they live in ice houses, and they use the "non-PC" term, they can just as easily be deemed racist for not keeping up with the times.
 
A little recent historical input regarding the term RINO. (Republican In Name Only)

The term first appeared in the early 1900's and went dormant for decades until Celeste Greig, former President of the California Republican Assembly (CRA) the same CRA that Ronald Reagan belonged to during the 1970's. It was Celeste Greig who resurrected the term RINO from the graveyard.

Today most true Republican conservatives refer to non conservatives with in the Republican Party as being RINO's. Neoconservatives are RINO's. It's not a political derogatory term. If your not a true conservative with in the GOP, you're a RINO. Nothing wrong with being a RINO.

The Republican conservative base of the Republican Party have been out of power in the Republican Party since the late 1990's when the neoconservatives gained control of the GOP for the first time in history of the GOP. But in 2010 the neoconservatives lost control of the GOP in 2010 mostly because of the Tea Party movement.

Unfortunately today, nobody is in control of the GOP.

As for the Democrat Party, the liberals (JFK, LBJ liberals) lost control of the Democrat Party in the early/mid 1970's when the "New Left" radical extremest from the radical left gained control of the Democrat Party by first hiding behind the liberal label to get elected to public office and after dirtying that label during the 1980's many would hide behind the progressive label. The radical left has been in complete control of the Democrat Party since 1976.

What you have in todays Democrat Party are a bunch of DINO's, LINO's and PINOs.

Unless you want to consider that some of the origins of the term RINO had to deal with progressive candidates using it against one another, in an attempt to out-progressive each other, then the fusionist conservatives would, under such terms, be the RINOs, not the neoconservatives. The neoconservatives would, in part, be the true conservatives.

But that's being silly, because there is no "true" conservative, and a RINO is another stupid term.
 
When I was running a business, any employee of mine that presumed to treat somebody badly because of their race or religion or ethnicity or whatever, or who used one of those hateful characterizations in public would have been quickly out the door with a strong admonition to never come back. I also once ran an organization that was within a much larger organization that had specific guidelines and principles that we were all supposed to support and emulate, and failure to do so could cost us our franchise and the right to use our organizational name.

These are rules that everybody understood and agreed to abide by and understood the consequences for violating them. And whatever disciplinary measures were taken were within my business or within that organization and had absolutely nothing to do with political correctness. That is also the case with Sterling and the NBA. He broke their rules, so they say, and he is subject to the consequences of breaking those rules, and so be it. That also has nothing to do with political correctness.

But, outside of the parameters agreed to by any individuals via legal or social contract, each of us has the unalienable right to be who and what we are. When somebody would organize to punish or hurt us physically and/or materially for no other reason than they disagree with what we believe, think, or say, THAT is political correctness. And it violates our unalienable right to be who and what we are with impunity so long as we violate nobody else's unalienable rights. And it is evil.

When it requires no contribution or participation by me and/or no affect on me or my property, I should have no right to dictate to you what you must believe or think or write or speak in order to avoid my punishing you.

And there you go. You would fire somebody who was publicly hateful. Sterling may not have intended to be publicly hateful, but it became public and action had to be taken.

I'd never encourage firing somebody because of their private thoughts, but sometimes these things become public. When they do, there's no putting the toothpaste back in the tube.
 
Would you support a Bible manufacturer who supplies Bibles to Evangelical churches deciding that a gay woman executive is bad for their image and letting her go because of business interests?

Depends on how private she is about it. If she's very publicly involved in pro-gay things and easily identifiable as an employee of that company, then maybe she should be fired for conduct detrimental to the business.
 
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