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    Re: Is There Too Much Political Correctness Now?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    What do you mean by hurt physically, which is rarely the result of a boycott or protest? Vandalism, physically attacking someone or threatening to physically harm a person or their property are all already illegal.

    Protests and boycotts are clearly protected first amendment activities. People have a right to say what they want, and others have an equal right to express their disagreement with a protest or by refusing to do business with them. There is likely to be a loss of business from a protest or boycott (or a gain in business if there is a backlash against the boycott as in the case of Chick-A-Fil-A), but no one is guaranteed other people's continued patronage of their business. Customers have a right to know what they are supporting when they do business with a person or company. We all have a right to express our views, but we have no right to be protected from completely legal and ethical actions such as boycotts in response to those views. Protests and boycotts are non-violent ways and harmless to express opinions that are essential to a free society and representational democracy.
    See my Post #129
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    Re: Is There Too Much Political Correctness Now?

    Quote Originally Posted by PoS View Post
    Riight, as if you know me more than I know myself.

    Good day.
    I don't know crap about you personally. But I know, for a fact, that your understanding of PC is BS. Flat-out cult-like brainwashed BS.

    The only advice I can think of is... kids, don't get your sociology education in a racist militia.

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    Re: Is There Too Much Political Correctness Now?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    It is already a crime to physically harm or threaten someone or their property. Exactly which specific acts are currently legal that you think should be banned.
    Again I refer you to my Post #129.

    It should be illegal for anybody to try to harm somebody physically and/or materially for no other reason than the 'offender' holds an opinion or point of view that the other disagrees with. So long as they do not violate anybody else's rights, a free people must be able to be who and what they are without fear that some angry mob will descend upon them or else nobody is free.
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    Re: Is There Too Much Political Correctness Now?

    Quote Originally Posted by PoS View Post
    Just an observation from the Sterling fallout in the NBA, or CEO's resigning because they supported a political cause that was unpopular with the masses or the usual media fauxrage (Huffington Post headlines cough cough) that every time some politician (usually from the GOP) makes some sort of statement about gays or minorities or anything that the mainstream thinks is unacceptable and must be spread out across the internet so that outrage can pile on outrage. Is it getting out of hand or should it continue?

    Vote and be heard.

    Political incorrectness is not something that is mostly on one side or the other. The right just goes crazy when some one gets in trouble for racism or homophobia. They want people to be free to say racist and homophobic things. However, when people say things that are critical of America, the troops, religion, etc they need to be silenced!!!!!

    The reality is people trying to silence others for being politically incorrect is a bipartisan issue. Saying homophobic things isn't even that politically incorrect, depending on where you live (it is obviously more acceptable in some areas than others). Making anti-Islamic statements is completely fine. However, say something that is critical of the idea of American exceptionalism, or even worse something critical of the troops, and there is no one getting away with that.

    So my point is, I do think there is too much political correctness to an extent. It is just definitely not a partisan issue.
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    Re: Is There Too Much Political Correctness Now?

    I nearly picked no, simply because you can never have enough bacon. Yes, bacon is more important than politics.

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    Re: Is There Too Much Political Correctness Now?

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    But in my version of right and wrong, justice, fairness, and respect for individual liberties, none of the rest of us should have any stake whatsoever as to what happens to Sterling. We can all express our opinions about it. But to organize an angry mob to badger, coerce, or threaten fans, advertisers, members of the organization etc. for the purpose of hurting Sterling just because he said something politically incorrect? That is wrong. That is evil. And it should not be condoned by a society who values liberty and recognizes that people have certain unalienable rights.
    Excessive 'badgering' can be prosecuted as trespassing, harassment or stalking. Coercing with a physical threat is illegal. Threatening violence or vandalism is illegal. What is an example of an action that is currently legal that you would ban?

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    Re: Is There Too Much Political Correctness Now?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    Excessive 'badgering' can be prosecuted as trespassing, harassment or stalking. Coercing with a physical threat is illegal. Threatening violence or vandalism is illegal. What is an example of an action that is currently legal that you would ban?
    Please don't change the subject here. I would ban any group organizing for the purpose of physically and/or materially hurting, damaging, or if possible destroying another person for no other reason than the person expressed an opinion that the group doesn't like or because of who the person is. That would include contacting the person's employer or those he/she does business with and demanding that the person be fired; that would include contacting the person's advertisers or customers and threatening action if those continued to do business with the person, or otherwise actively attempting to harm that person.
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    Re: Is There Too Much Political Correctness Now?

    Quote Originally Posted by PoS View Post
    I wouldnt normally say those words myself but I will defend other people's rights to say them.
    Other people have the right to say them.

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    Re: Is There Too Much Political Correctness Now?

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    Please don't change the subject here. I would ban any group organizing for the purpose of physically and/or materially hurting, damaging, or if possible destroying another person for no other reason than the person expressed an opinion that the group doesn't like or because of who the person is. That would include contacting the person's employer or those he/she does business with and demanding that the person be fired; that would include contacting the person's advertisers or customers and threatening action if those continued to do business with the person, or otherwise actively attempting to harm that person.
    That would not survive a first amendment challenge, and it shouldn't since you want to suppress people who are simply expressing their opinion. Why should the original speaker have freedom of speech, but those who disagree that opinion would not? Keep in mind that your proposal would also suppress the opinions of people that you agree with at times, when you think that a person's opinions are so outrageous that they should be boycotted. Right wingers have gotten more people in trouble with their employers than the left. Remember the McCarthy era blacklists? Surgeon General Jocelyn Elders, Shirley Sherrod?

    I do support a law protecting employees rights to not be discriminated against because of their off-work activities, including expressions of opinions. However, an exemption for certain employees, including owners, public relations staff and top executives would be necessary since those people actually do represent the company at all times, unlike lower level employees.
    Last edited by Hard Truth; 05-01-14 at 08:19 PM.

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    Re: Is There Too Much Political Correctness Now?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    That would not survive a first amendment challenge, and it shouldn't since you want to suppress people who are simply expressing their opinion. Why should the original speaker have freedom of speech, but those who disagree that opinion would not? Keep in mind that your proposal would also suppress the opinions of people that you agree with at times, when you think that a person's opinions are so outrageous that they should be boycotted. Right wingers have gotten more people in trouble with their employers than the left. Remember the McCarthy era blacklists? Surgeon General Jocelyn Elders, Shirley Sherrod?

    I do support a law protecting employees rights to not be discriminated against because of their off-work activities, including expressions of opinions. However, an exemption for certain employees, including owners, public relations staff and top executives would be necessary since those people actually do represent the company at all times, unlike lower level employees.
    You are missing the point. I don't want to make it illegal to express an opinion. I want to make it illegal to intentionally and physically/materially attack people for no other reason than they expressed an opinion. There is no right to express an opinion by firebombing or intentionally destroying a person's physical property or physically assaulting somebody. There should be no right to organize to destroy a person's livelihood and/or deny him right to his own property for no other reason than you disagree with that person's opinion.
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