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    Re: Is There Too Much Political Correctness Now?

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    What about the freedom of people to disagree? If you want to run around calling black folks "n*ggers," by all means do so. But the rest of us have the freedom to call you out. (I mean "you" in the general sense, not you personally)
    I have zero problem with disagreeing with anybody about anything. I have no problem with anybody calling out anybody or condemning what they said about whatever. But if I call somebody a ******, you of course are just as entitled to object to that characterization and state that you consider it reprehensible. Nobody has a right to be complimented or praised or be immune to criticism or to not be offended in a way that does not violate his/her rights.

    Where I draw the line on 'free speech' is in the malicious libel or slander that uses lies or untruths to call a persons character or reputation into question and thereby violates that person's rights. But there are laws against that, and legal recourse. And nobody should be allowed to exercise his/her right to free speech to the point that he disturbs the general peace and becomes a nuisance, but there are also sensible laws against that.

    And I draw the line on physically and/or materially hurting people for no other reason than they hold an opinion with which we disagree.

    In this context, I am campaigning for a change in the law, or at least our culture, to make it illegal or unacceptable for an angry mob or group to organize and intentionally try to harm or punish somebody, physically and/or materially, for no other offense than that person holds a politically incorrect view or says something 'offensive'. Yes, boycott or protest those who are violating the rights of others. But so long as he/she requires no contribution or participation by any other, every U.S. citizen should be free to be who and what they are and say what they think, believe, want, and hope for without fear that some angry group will descend on them and pummel them for that.

    If we are not free to be who and what we are, so long as we do not violate anybody else's rights, we have no freedom at all. We are subject either to an overly authoritarian government or we are subject to mob rule.
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    Re: Is There Too Much Political Correctness Now?

    Quote Originally Posted by PoS View Post
    I know what PC is.
    Clearly not. You have a cartoon understanding of it. You think it's a conspiracy. Total lunacy.

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    Re: Is There Too Much Political Correctness Now?

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    I have zero problem with disagreeing with anybody about anything. I have no problem with anybody calling out anybody or condemning what they said about whatever. But if I call somebody a ******, you of course are just as entitled to object to that characterization and state that you consider it reprehensible. Nobody has a right to be complimented or praised or be immune to criticism or to not be offended in a way that does not violate his/her rights.

    Where I draw the line on 'free speech' is in the malicious libel or slander that uses lies or untruths to call a persons character or reputation into question and thereby violates that person's rights. But there are laws against that, and legal recourse. And nobody should be allowed to exercise his/her right to free speech to the point that he disturbs the general peace and becomes a nuisance, but there are also sensible laws against that.

    And I draw the line on physically and/or materially hurting people for no other reason than they hold an opinion with which we disagree.

    In this context, I am campaigning for a change in the law, or at least our culture, to make it illegal or unacceptable for an angry mob or group to organize and intentionally try to harm or punish somebody, physically and/or materially, for no other offense than that person holds a politically incorrect view or says something 'offensive'. Yes, boycott or protest those who are violating the rights of others. But so long as he/she requires no contribution or participation by any other, every U.S. citizen should be free to be who and what they are and say what they think, believe, want, and hope for without fear that some angry group will descend on them and pummel them for that.

    If we are not free to be who and what we are, so long as we do not violate anybody else's rights, we have no freedom at all. We are subject either to an overly authoritarian government or we are subject to mob rule.
    And in the recent kerfuffles, nobody's been physically hurt, and only one person is losing anything. As far as Sterling goes, the NBA has a right to their own bylaws, which they feel he violated.


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    Re: Is There Too Much Political Correctness Now?

    Quote Originally Posted by PoS View Post
    Just an observation from the Sterling fallout in the NBA, or CEO's resigning because they supported a political cause that was unpopular with the masses or the usual media fauxrage (Huffington Post headlines cough cough) that every time some politician (usually from the GOP) makes some sort of statement about gays or minorities or anything that the mainstream thinks is unacceptable and must be spread out across the internet so that outrage can pile on outrage. Is it getting out of hand or should it continue?

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    I think it would be hard to argue that PC has not grown out of hand, as predicted by many when it first began to be an issue.

    For example, once the vile BS of Sterling surfaced again, there have been calls for Rich DeVos to step down as owner of the Orlando Magic because of his views on Same Sex Marriage. That's insane, and establishes a dangerous but important to be aware of agenda.

    It will be a very sad day if people give in to the Fascists who are promoting these PC actions/reactions.

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    Re: Is There Too Much Political Correctness Now?

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    Yes, I am saying that protests and boycotts intended to hurt somebody physically and/or materially should be banned if that person is not guilty of infringing on anybody else's rights. This country was founded on a principle that we each have an unalienable right to be who or what we are so long as we require no participation or contribution by any other. Nobody should be pesonally threatened or violated for no other offense than they said something somebody else didn't like.
    What do you mean by hurt physically, which is rarely the result of a boycott or protest? Vandalism, physically attacking someone or threatening to physically harm a person or their property are all already illegal.

    Protests and boycotts are clearly protected first amendment activities. People have a right to say what they want, and others have an equal right to express their disagreement with a protest or by refusing to do business with them. There is likely to be a loss of business from a protest or boycott (or a gain in business if there is a backlash against the boycott as in the case of Chick-A-Fil-A), but no one is guaranteed other people's continued patronage of their business. Customers have a right to know what they are supporting when they do business with a person or company. We all have a right to express our views, but we have no right to be protected from completely legal and ethical actions such as boycotts in response to those views. Protests and boycotts are non-violent ways and harmless to express opinions that are essential to a free society and representational democracy.

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    Re: Is There Too Much Political Correctness Now?

    Quote Originally Posted by PoS View Post
    Just an observation from the Sterling fallout in the NBA, or CEO's resigning because they supported a political cause that was unpopular with the masses or the usual media fauxrage (Huffington Post headlines cough cough) that every time some politician (usually from the GOP) makes some sort of statement about gays or minorities or anything that the mainstream thinks is unacceptable and must be spread out across the internet so that outrage can pile on outrage. Is it getting out of hand or should it continue?

    Vote and be heard.
    Political correctness has always existed...it's just what's acceptable in society. The only difference between it now and like 50 years ago is who it benefits or who agrees with it. In 1940 you could yell the n-word but you sure as hell would have to be silent about being anything other a mainstream christian denomination. Now you can't say the n-word but you don't have to apologize for being Catholic.

    That's the only difference. It's a new name conjured up by conservatives to pretend it's some new thing
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    Re: Is There Too Much Political Correctness Now?

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    In this context, I am campaigning for a change in the law, or at least our culture, to make it illegal or unacceptable for an angry mob or group to organize and intentionally try to harm or punish somebody, physically and/or materially, for no other offense than that person holds a politically incorrect view or says something 'offensive'. ...
    It is already a crime to physically harm or threaten someone or their property. Exactly which specific acts are currently legal that you think should be banned.

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    Re: Is There Too Much Political Correctness Now?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Clearly not. You have a cartoon understanding of it. You think it's a conspiracy. Total lunacy.
    Riight, as if you know me more than I know myself.

    Good day.

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    Re: Is There Too Much Political Correctness Now?

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    And in the recent kerfuffles, nobody's been physically hurt, and only one person is losing anything. As far as Sterling goes, the NBA has a right to their own bylaws, which they feel he violated.
    When somebody loses a job they love doing, that physically removes a person from something he/she wants to do and chooses to do, that does physical harm. It is not the kind that causes bruises, bleeding, and broken bones, but it has a physical effect on the person. And a person who has his/her income reduced, threatened, taken away suffers material harm to his/her property as well.

    To do that to a person for no other reason than the person expressed an opinion that somebody didn't like flies in the face of every concept of liberty upon which this nation was founded.

    If Sterling broke NBA rules and there are consequences for that, such matters are between Sterling and the NBA. If his players or others in his organization don't wish to work for somebody with Sterling's views, that is between him and them. If the fans don't wish to attend games or buy paraphenalia, that is their business. If the advertisers don't wish to utilize the Clippers organization to peddle their products, that is up to them.

    But in my version of right and wrong, justice, fairness, and respect for individual liberties, none of the rest of us should have any stake whatsoever as to what happens to Sterling. We can all express our opinions about it. But to organize an angry mob to badger, coerce, or threaten fans, advertisers, members of the organization etc. for the purpose of hurting Sterling just because he said something politically incorrect? That is wrong. That is evil. And it should not be condoned by a society who values liberty and recognizes that people have certain unalienable rights.
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    Re: Is There Too Much Political Correctness Now?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    So in answer to my question, "what do you want to say but feel prevented from doing so because of political correctness?" Your answers can be summed up as,

    *you want to call a "vertically challenged" person a "dwarf."
    *you want to call a mentally challenged person a "retard."
    *You want to be able to use the n word.

    Is that about right?
    I wouldnt normally say those words myself but I will defend other people's rights to say them.

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