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Thread: Was Sterling's punishment too much? [W:359]

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    re: Was Sterling's punishment too much? [W:359]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post

    Also to take into consideration:

    He spoke these words on his private property
    He broke no actual laws
    His girlfriend broke the law by recording him without his knowledge
    I think it's way too harsh, especially considering the points you've noted. While I certainly don't condone his racist statements, he has a right to say whatever in private, and in no way, shape or form, should he pay the price for words that are not ment to be public.
    No men are anywhere, and Im allowed to go in, because Im the owner of the pageant and therefore Im inspecting it, Trump said... Is everyone OK? You know, theyre standing there with no clothes. Is everybody OK? And you see these incredible looking women, and so I sort of get away with things like that.

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    re: Was Sterling's punishment too much? [W:359]

    Quote Originally Posted by Anagram View Post
    I don't think it's likely the NBA lets the Clippers move to Seattle if they weren't going to let Sacramento.
    New commissioner

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    re: Was Sterling's punishment too much? [W:359]

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    I don't think we should have to constantly be afraid of what we say in private. I think that this is too much. A public statement is one thing, support of a candidate or advocating a policy is another. Those have effects on other people and should incur whatever ire those people have. But I don't think anyone should ever have to "watch what they say" in private.
    At the risk of "blaming the victim," the fact that he trusted this gold digger enough to think she might not do something skeevy like this shows remarkable naivete. When you're rich like he is, there's always someone trying to take you down.
    Freedom of speech is not freedom from criticism.

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    re: Was Sterling's punishment too much? [W:359]

    Quote Originally Posted by cpgrad08 View Post
    New commissioner
    True at least Stern, who seemed to hate Seattle with a burning passion, is no longer commissioner. But the Clippers have top 10 attendance and the NBA isn't going to want to take the PR hit that comes with punishing a fan base by letting their team move because of an owner's inflammatory comments.
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    re: Was Sterling's punishment too much? [W:359]

    Quote Originally Posted by cpgrad08 View Post
    New commissioner
    That's the other thing that nobody seems to take into account, regarding the NBA's sudden interest in Sterling's bigotry and comparing this response to past transgressions by Sterling and many, many others. Adam Silver just took over as commissioner in Februrary. New administration, and he's making a statement.
    Freedom of speech is not freedom from criticism.

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    re: Was Sterling's punishment too much? [W:359]

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    So it's okay to dislike people, as long as no businesses are involved. Is that right?
    I made no such suggestion. The nature of his reprehensible remarks are beyond controversy. I merely explained why the NBA Commissioner needed to act forcefully. Given how much was at stake, he needed to act decisively. Had he acted weakly, the NBA and all NBA franchises would have suffered harm as advertisers and audiences reduced their appetite for the NBA. Hence, it is very likely that the Commissioner will gain sufficient support to compel the sale of the Clippers. A unanimous vote is a strong possibility.

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    re: Was Sterling's punishment too much? [W:359]

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    At the risk of "blaming the victim," the fact that he trusted this gold digger enough to think she might not do something skeevy like this shows remarkable naivete. When you're rich like he is, there's always someone trying to take you down.
    I'll admit that he was damned stupid to say it to her. Even if she wasn't half-black herself - she ain't with you for your body and personality, Skeletor.

    Fortunately, Son of Sam laws will prevent her from getting rich.

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    re: Was Sterling's punishment too much? [W:359]

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    I thought privacy was something that the Liberals valued. Now you're saying it's not to be valued? Whatever happened to "stay out of my bedroom"?

    Or whatever happened to people being free to like and dislike whomever they want, as long as they don't act on it.

    But go ahead, tell me. You like everybody, right?
    Privacy from the government.

    In my state, my spouse can legally record whatever the hell she wants, so long as she gives consent to it and she is a party in the conversation.

    Think of it this way: If I knew my employer was acting discriminatory (in a private conversation), either towards me or towards someone else, it makes little sense to say, "Hey, I know this is a private conversation, but you don't mind if I record this, do you?"

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    re: Was Sterling's punishment too much? [W:359]

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    No.

    Sterling's hateful actions posed a real risk of inflicting significant, lasting, and costly damage to the NBA's global brand. Had the Commissioner not exercised decisive leadership, the NBA could have found itself in a position of a loss of talent in the longer-term, loss of advertisers, reduced TV ratings/reduced TV contract, and smaller global profile. Half-measures would have resulted in the NBA's sustaining a "slow bleed." The corporate literature is filled with accounts where corporations failed to act decisively in the face of scandals or controversies and wound up with lasting and significant reductions in the brand reputations and market capitalization.
    As ugly as Sterling's comments were what about all the bigoted views of whites by blacks within the NBA? Or of Chinese? Or of fat players? Or Gay players? Most people are bigoted in one way or the other. Do we only pound those who are bigoted toward blacks? It's not against the law to be bigoted. It was a private conversation and most probably including yourself would be found bigoted on some regard in a private conversation. We all would.

    Your concerns could have been easily addressed with a fine and reprimand. The punishment was over the top. How you can justify that is scary.

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    re: Was Sterling's punishment too much? [W:359]

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    I made no such suggestion. The nature of his reprehensible remarks are beyond controversy. I merely explained why the NBA Commissioner needed to act forcefully. Given how much was at stake, he needed to act decisively. Had he acted weakly, the NBA and all NBA franchises would have suffered harm as advertisers and audiences reduced their appetite for the NBA. Hence, it is very likely that the Commissioner will gain sufficient support to compel the sale of the Clippers. A unanimous vote is a strong possibility.
    You justified the NBA penalty by going on about the damage it would have done to them. So if the NBA wasn't involved, you think it's right or wrong that a person doesn't like everyone?

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