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    re: Was Sterling's punishment too much? [W:359]

    The issue here with this Sterling guy has nothing to do with if its ok to be racist (its not cool) It has everything to do with the NBA being a private organization. Are you all a bunch of socialists and think the government should interfere with the will of a private organization to remove an owner for doing something that is not only horrible for image but has been happening since this guy has owned the team. The NBA has determined that they've had enough of Mr. Sterling's B.S. and they want him gone. There is no 1st amendment issue here, if he wants I'm sure he can sue his girlfriend, but he's still going to lose the team.
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    re: Was Sterling's punishment too much? [W:359]

    Quote Originally Posted by rcart76 View Post
    I agree with you to a certain point. I don't agree with forcing him to sell his franchise. Let the free market take care of that. But on the flip side, the NBA is a association that has the right to protect its brand. Regardless if the words were spoken in private or not, having this guy as a owner in the association would be a cancer to the league.
    The NBA as a private voluntary association certainly has the right to enforce certain standards on its members as long as the penalties were applied in compliance with their establish by-laws that Sterling agreed to when he joined the league (or were passed after he joined the league) then I have no LEGAL issue with what the NBA did.

    I don't know what to call my concern really. I'm just always leery of thought police, no matter what form they take. A grass roots, market based response to Sterling's comments (and history) is fine by me and as I said, I would support such efforts. But a top down punishment being imposed upon him for something he did privately outside the scope of his association with the NBA, that's the sort of thing I'm less comfortable with. I won't loose any sleep over it really, because Sterling is a scumbag, but the precedent of "If you don't think like us, we'll do everything we can to ruin you" isn't one that I'd personally like to see set.
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    re: Was Sterling's punishment too much? [W:359]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    For his racist comments caught on tape, Clippers owner Donald Sterling recently had this ruling put on him by NBA commissioner Adam Silver:

    $2.5M fine (maximum allowed in by-laws)
    Lifetime ban from NBA games
    Lifetime ban from NBA function
    Zero access to facilities during Clippers games and practices
    Urging by the BoD to owners for forced divestiture of ownership



    Was the hammer too great, or spot on?

    Also to take into consideration:

    He spoke these words on his private property
    He broke no actual laws
    His girlfriend broke the law by recording him without his knowledge
    Should Gotham look the other way if Batman's mask slips and a cop sees he's Bruce Wayne? It's done: Sterling got sloppy and his true feelings came out, endangering the NBA. You don't put those kinds of comments back in their box.

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    re: Was Sterling's punishment too much? [W:359]

    Quote Originally Posted by Psychoclown View Post
    But a top down punishment being imposed upon him for something he did privately outside the scope of his association with the NBA, that's the sort of thing I'm less comfortable with. I won't loose any sleep over it really, because Sterling is a scumbag, but the precedent of "If you don't think like us, we'll do everything we can to ruin you" isn't one that I'd personally like to see set.
    I understand what you are saying here. But when I consider Sterling's position, and the fact that it wasn't too long ago that blacks were treated like dirt, as a matter of government policy in the south, I feel they did the right thing. If it weren't for the rather nasty historical context, I could say it wasn't so bad. But unfortunately that has to be taken into consideration.

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    re: Was Sterling's punishment too much? [W:359]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    For his racist comments caught on tape, Clippers owner Donald Sterling recently had this ruling put on him by NBA commissioner Adam Silver:

    $2.5M fine (maximum allowed in by-laws)
    Lifetime ban from NBA games
    Lifetime ban from NBA function
    Zero access to facilities during Clippers games and practices
    Urging by the BoD to owners for forced divestiture of ownership



    Was the hammer too great, or spot on?

    Also to take into consideration:

    He spoke these words on his private property
    He broke no actual laws
    His girlfriend broke the law by recording him without his knowledge
    He's not punished for what he said.
    He's punished for the media frenzy and the embarassment caused. Sure - they might not say it - but, as what we've seen with other people - how far spread the story goes amplifies the response directly.
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    re: Was Sterling's punishment too much? [W:359]

    Quote Originally Posted by Psychoclown View Post
    The NBA as a private voluntary association certainly has the right to enforce certain standards on its members as long as the penalties were applied in compliance with their establish by-laws that Sterling agreed to when he joined the league (or were passed after he joined the league) then I have no LEGAL issue with what the NBA did.

    I don't know what to call my concern really. I'm just always leery of thought police, no matter what form they take. A grass roots, market based response to Sterling's comments (and history) is fine by me and as I said, I would support such efforts. But a top down punishment being imposed upon him for something he did privately outside the scope of his association with the NBA, that's the sort of thing I'm less comfortable with. I won't loose any sleep over it really, because Sterling is a scumbag, but the precedent of "If you don't think like us, we'll do everything we can to ruin you" isn't one that I'd personally like to see set.
    I agree with most of what you said. He did say those things in private, which if they stayed private might have saved him his team. They did not, and the NBA has to save face or risk angering their fan base. I mean children watch these teams and look up to them, and now that one of the owners is looked at as a racist the NBA can hardly allow him to stay. Its also an issue of him not just saying this in private but he's acted like an asshat multiple times in the past. This is most likely the culmination of a good many things the NBA has been pissed about.
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    re: Was Sterling's punishment too much? [W:359]

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    He's not punished for what he said.
    He's punished for the media frenzy and the embarassment caused. Sure - they might not say it - but, as what we've seen with other people - how far spread the story goes amplifies the response directly.
    Not that I mind his punishment, but seriously? He is punished for the "media sensation" he caused in only under a week? In the NBA? Huh?
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    re: Was Sterling's punishment too much? [W:359]

    All those players calling each other nigger need to be banned as well... this is reverse racism that is more disgusting than affirmative action. What he did is deplorable but to single him out like this is disgusting and hypocritical.
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    re: Was Sterling's punishment too much? [W:359]

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    All those players calling each other nigger need to be banned as well... this is reverse racism that is more disgusting than affirmative action.
    You don't understand that the word is not being used as pejorative in such cases? How could anyone not understand that?

    What he did is deplorable but to single him out like this is disgusting and hypocritical.
    Because him being a racist is the same as using the word 'nigga' as 'friend'?

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    re: Was Sterling's punishment too much? [W:359]

    Quote Originally Posted by Filthy McNasty View Post
    Not that I mind his punishment, but seriously? He is punished for the "media sensation" he caused in only under a week? In the NBA? Huh?
    Don't you understand? He's a victim of the evil Joo media that covers up crimes by blacks and sensationalizes crimes by whites in order to facilitate the secret race war.

    Wake up white people!!

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