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    re: Was Sterling's punishment too much? [W:359]

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    This implies there was no genuine outrage. Is that what you think?

    Expressing an opinion is not what he did. He expressed contempt for people based on their ethnicity. When you are a person that has authority and control over others that kind of bigotry matters. Your "opinion" can then actively harm others.
    First you say 'expressing an opinion is not what he did', then you say 'your opinion can then actively harm others', which one is it?

    I think what he said was contemptible and should have 'some' consequences. People can react, condemn and show their disapproval in a legal manner.

    But it was an expression of his opinion on a matter, not active discrimination. As distasteful as words of racism and bigotry are, if you make them out of bounds and you start censoring words and opinions, the list will grow and grow. There's a reason they don't limit free speech, because trying to use thought control never works out well. Naturally, you can't scream 'bomb' in an airport, disturb the peace or do other verbal escapades that lead to harmful action but that is enough.
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    re: Was Sterling's punishment too much? [W:359]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    For his racist comments caught on tape, Clippers owner Donald Sterling recently had this ruling put on him by NBA commissioner Adam Silver:

    $2.5M fine (maximum allowed in by-laws)
    Lifetime ban from NBA games
    Lifetime ban from NBA function
    Zero access to facilities during Clippers games and practices
    Urging by the BoD to owners for forced divestiture of ownership



    Was the hammer too great, or spot on?

    Also to take into consideration:

    He spoke these words on his private property
    He broke no actual laws
    His girlfriend broke the law by recording him without his knowledge
    Let's look at it like this. What if the NBA did nothing? How are the people that play for Sterling supposed to feel?

    I personally don't like how we have elevated athletics to such a high pedestal, but that's the way it is. That being the case, what kind of example does that set?

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    re: Was Sterling's punishment too much? [W:359]

    Quote Originally Posted by Filthy McNasty View Post
    Ah but based upon his ego and past court cases with his ex girlfriends (usually to get back money he had given them) why would he view the NBA any different? You are probably right of course, but I would not be surprised to see portions of this ban (the sale) end up in court. Plus in the admittedly wild speculation department, if Sterling did decide to show up at a game, I doubt he would do so in disguise and I doubt that the arena would lynch him, he would not be sitting in the common men's seating ya know. Again, the ban is only as effective as this ass chooses to heed it. It made for an interesting talk on the drive his morning.
    I think you have more faith in the common man than I do. Hell, I'm not entirely sure he could make it to his seat unscathed if he was not disguised. He may not have the hell beaten out of him, but shoutdowns and spittle could be a reality.

    Sterling ending up as a plaintiff in court over this isn't a speculation - it's an eventuality. It's not if, but when.

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    re: Was Sterling's punishment too much? [W:359]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    For his racist comments caught on tape, Clippers owner Donald Sterling recently had this ruling put on him by NBA commissioner Adam Silver:

    $2.5M fine (maximum allowed in by-laws)
    Lifetime ban from NBA games
    Lifetime ban from NBA function
    Zero access to facilities during Clippers games and practices
    Urging by the BoD to owners for forced divestiture of ownership



    Was the hammer too great, or spot on?

    Also to take into consideration:

    He spoke these words on his private property
    He broke no actual laws
    His girlfriend broke the law by recording him without his knowledge
    He was punished by a private association which lives or dies on its image. The steps they took were necessary to secure their endorsements, staff, and audience. I pass no judgement. I also don't care.

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    re: Was Sterling's punishment too much? [W:359]

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Let's look at it like this. What if the NBA did nothing? How are the people that play for Sterling supposed to feel?
    Like every other Joe who works a job to put food on the table - except at 1000x the salary.

    I personally don't like how we have elevated athletics to such a high pedestal, but that's the way it is. That being the case, what kind of example does that set?
    Where does it end? As I said, this could create a slippery slope. What if an owner is caught screwing a 14 year old girl (in a state where 14 is consent age), or does a line of coke at a high-end party? Those are all morality failings. And I bet that nothing else would warrant this kind of punishment.

    We have to treat the black population like they're made of glass, like they're above reproach, and like they have a voice that transcends a demographic making up approximately 12% of the US population.

    Pissing off white people does nothing but give a black racist from Alabama a halftime show on TNT.

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    re: Was Sterling's punishment too much? [W:359]

    The NBA is a private entity. It was their right to fire and ban him to improve their image. That being said, I would not have done it personally. I do feel it was a bit harsh.

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    re: Was Sterling's punishment too much? [W:359]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    I think you have more faith in the common man than I do. Hell, I'm not entirely sure he could make it to his seat unscathed if he was not disguised. He may not have the hell beaten out of him, but shoutdowns and spittle could be a reality.

    Sterling ending up as a plaintiff in court over this isn't a speculation - it's an eventuality. It's not if, but when.
    This is a bit off topic, but where do you live that the common man can afford tickets to a NBA game?

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    re: Was Sterling's punishment too much? [W:359]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    Like every other Joe who works a job to put food on the table - except at 1000x the salary.
    So you don't have a problem with people working for people who are racists? What if he didn't say it over the phone, but was talking to his girl in front of the players? What if the guy just started addressing the players directly as n*g*ers? Would you have a problem with any of that?


    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    Where does it end? As I said, this could create a slippery slope.
    That's my question to you. Is there a limit, in your mind, to the racist language that should be tolerated? Or should people be allowed to freely use racist language as they desire?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    We have to treat the black population like they're made of glass, like they're above reproach, and like they have a voice that transcends a demographic making up approximately 12% of the US population.

    Pissing off white people does nothing but give a black racist from Alabama a halftime show on TNT.
    I don't know what you are talking about. If it was a black owner that was talking to his girlfriend about whites, the same should apply.

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    re: Was Sterling's punishment too much? [W:359]

    Quote Originally Posted by Filthy McNasty View Post

    This is a bit off topic, but where do you live that the common man can afford tickets to a NBA game?
    I was born and raised in Michigan, and I've been to the Palace multiple times. No playoff games though. Now those can get a tad pricey.

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    re: Was Sterling's punishment too much? [W:359]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    For his racist comments caught on tape, Clippers owner Donald Sterling recently had this ruling put on him by NBA commissioner Adam Silver:

    $2.5M fine (maximum allowed in by-laws)
    Lifetime ban from NBA games
    Lifetime ban from NBA function
    Zero access to facilities during Clippers games and practices
    Urging by the BoD to owners for forced divestiture of ownership



    Was the hammer too great, or spot on?

    Also to take into consideration:

    He spoke these words on his private property
    He broke no actual laws
    His girlfriend broke the law by recording him without his knowledge
    I keep hearing that he made racist comments but I have no clue what he said. He could have said, "Black people play good basketball" or he could have said, "We should kill and hang.... so on and so forth".

    An accusation that someone made a racist comment covers a lot of ground. I guess I am going to have dig a little deeper and found out what he said before I vote in this poll.

    From a financial or business perspective I would say, "no". The NBA has a brand to protect. This is kinda similar to a Mcdonald's franchise owner making comments like this. It would hurt the whole Mcdonald's brand.

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