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    Re: Did Sarah Palin's Comments Cross The Line?

    I'm not really outraged over anything she says.

    I just wish she'd die soon and stop wasting oxygen and other planetary resources that could be better spent feeding a raging forest fire.
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    Re: Did Sarah Palin's Comments Cross The Line?

    Quote Originally Posted by TeleKat View Post
    Did Sarah Palin cross the proverbial line when she compared torture to being baptized?

    I think she did. Of all the dumb things she's said in the past, this is at the top of that list for sure.

    Thoughts?
    You're talking about the water boarding thing? Hell no it didn't cross a line.

    It was simple exaggeration for the benefit of making a point.

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    Re: Did Sarah Palin's Comments Cross The Line?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    That may be. I started to listen to the video of her speech, but got bored before she got to the waterboarding part.
    Understandable.
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    Re: Did Sarah Palin's Comments Cross The Line?

    I am not religious, but I think sarah palin's comment offended my moral and religious beliefs.

    To make a comparison between the rite of baptism and a act of torture gives me the impression that Palin does not know what baptism is.
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    Re: Did Sarah Palin's Comments Cross The Line?

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    I thought she said "waterboarding" is how we baptize terrorists. If you don't believe waterboarding is torture, as many don't, and if you believe legal interpretations out of the Bush administration stating just that, then there's nothing to be outraged about.


    I just declared that assassinations of stupid people is legal.....

    Can I kill someone now?

    The interpretation that somehow inflicting serial suffering to obtain information is somehow not torture is merely reductivism.

    The issue is this: The United States constitution, as everyone in the universe has had beaten into them through the incessant political machine that is US media and film, that ALL MEN are guarenteed certain "inalienable rights", not the least of which is due process under the law, true indictments, a trial of one's peers, a thorough defense within the parameters of the concept of innocent until proven guilty. All of these are claimed inventions of the United States Constitution, a way of life the US has been "protecting" through virtually uninterrupted war since 1949 and the "police action" in Korea.

    But, we no longer have any due process, people are arrested based on "intel", which the world has seen to be wrong more than right, are kidnapped at gunpoint, taken to an illegal military base [which is legally US soil - babies born there are citizen's of the US] and tortured for information. One need only read about Mahar Arar and come to the conclusion that if one person can be wrongfully kidnapped, imprisoned, tortured and raped, then others can too.

    The middle ages mentality and slimy bureaucratic loopholes through which they pretend justification is reason enough to be outraged...the fact that THEY say water boarding isn't torture is really pointless.

    We know Ms. Palin to be a devout Christian. As one as well, my question to her is where would she find justification for this in the teachings of her savior?

    And yes, I AM calling her out on legal, moral AND theological grounds.
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    Re: Did Sarah Palin's Comments Cross The Line?

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    When it comes to Sarah Palin, the needle on my Give-A-Crap meter doesn't even wiggle.

    Being a military guy however, I thought what she said was funny.
    : And she does have the right to her opinion, the same as anyone else. Unless that has changed in the past twenty-hour hours? I swear I think the woman could say "I love blue jeans," and the left would say she's discriminating against men wearing a suit! : Interesting she has that effect!

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    Re: Did Sarah Palin's Comments Cross The Line?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    I just declared that assassinations of stupid people is legal.....

    Can I kill someone now?

    The interpretation that somehow inflicting serial suffering to obtain information is somehow not torture is merely reductivism.

    The issue is this: The United States constitution, as everyone in the universe has had beaten into them through the incessant political machine that is US media and film, that ALL MEN are guarenteed certain "inalienable rights", not the least of which is due process under the law, true indictments, a trial of one's peers, a thorough defense within the parameters of the concept of innocent until proven guilty. All of these are claimed inventions of the United States Constitution, a way of life the US has been "protecting" through virtually uninterrupted war since 1949 and the "police action" in Korea.

    But, we no longer have any due process, people are arrested based on "intel", which the world has seen to be wrong more than right, are kidnapped at gunpoint, taken to an illegal military base [which is legally US soil - babies born there are citizen's of the US] and tortured for information. One need only read about Mahar Arar and come to the conclusion that if one person can be wrongfully kidnapped, imprisoned, tortured and raped, then others can too.

    The middle ages mentality and slimy bureaucratic loopholes through which they pretend justification is reason enough to be outraged...the fact that THEY say water boarding isn't torture is really pointless.

    We know Ms. Palin to be a devout Christian. As one as well, my question to her is where would she find justification for this in the teachings of her savior?

    And yes, I AM calling her out on legal, moral AND theological grounds.
    Firstly - Obama beat you to it - he has already declared that assassinations of stupid people is legal, provided it is by drone and in another country. Innocent collateral damage, notwithstanding.

    Secondly - the US Constitution, as I understand it, applies to US citizens and those on US soil. And the Geneva Conventions apply to prisoners of war who meet certain criteria.

    Thirdly - the US Constitution requires that a President leave his/her religion behind when accepting the office and carrying out the duties entrusted to the office upon election and inauguration. As such, Palin would not be governed by Christian doctrine when carrying out her duties. She did say, if I'm not mistaken, "If I was in charge" implying, from my perspective, if she was President, she'd have no problem with reinstituting waterboarding with regard to terrorists caught planning and/or attempting to murder scores of innocent American people.

    Fourthly - since you bring up the "teachings of her saviour" do you also wish to hold Obama to that same standard? Is Obama's stance on abortion and same sex marriage consistent with the teachings of his saviour? To my knowledge, no terrorist has died under waterboarding but no one can argue that a least a few human lives in early development have died at the hands of abortionists, some after leaving the womb.

    Finally - one would hope that Ms. Palin's comments would be taken within the context in which they were given and not so seriously as to suggest something deeper and more sinister.
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    Re: Did Sarah Palin's Comments Cross The Line?

    Quote Originally Posted by TeleKat View Post
    Did Sarah Palin cross the proverbial line when she compared torture to being baptized?

    I think she did. Of all the dumb things she's said in the past, this is at the top of that list for sure.

    Thoughts?



    Sarah Palin is a fool. I pay less attention to what she says than I do to the long-range weather forecasts.

    That being said, she has the same 1st Amendment right that every other American has, to say whatever she wants to say, and to be drug over the coals for her stupid comments.




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    Re: Did Sarah Palin's Cross The Line?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    That's exactly the kind of morbid sense of humor we develop in the military, so I don't think so.
    When was Sarah in the military?????????? Oh yeah you would support her if she called for the killing of puppies because the suck off the teat of their mother.

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    Re: Did Sarah Palin's Comments Cross The Line?

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    : And she does have the right to her opinion, the same as anyone else. Unless that has changed in the past twenty-hour hours? I swear I think the woman could say "I love blue jeans," and the left would say she's discriminating against men wearing a suit! : Interesting she has that effect!

    Greetings, Beaudreaux. Everyone okay at your house?
    She sure is a lightning rod for the left. That's funny to me. Maybe I'm just weird though since I don't see why.

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