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Is being racist a right?[W:343]

Is being racist a right

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sawyerloggingon said:
Wrong. At the risk of repeating myself...
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That boat sailed a long time ago. So rather than repeat yourself for the infinityith time, just tell us where it's against the law to demand someone's resignation/firing. I already have the Constitution to tell me it's legal, you show me where it's illegal.
 
People have a right to be racist, if they break no laws. Proper responses to that racism is also protected.
 
sawyerloggingon said:
You have to rember the dix chicks also dissed their fans and people like me just decided not to buy their music. We did not however demand their record company drop them.
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You demanded that the radio drop them, and it did.
 
The 1st Amendment allows you the right to hold whatever beliefs and express them however you choose as long as you are not inciting violence. So yes, you have the right to be a racist. However, the law does not allow you to be immune from the consequences of your speech.
 
Is being racist a right?

StillBallin75 said:
The 1st Amendment allows you the right to hold whatever beliefs and express them however you choose as long as you are not inciting violence. So yes, you have the right to be a racist. However, the law does not allow you to be immune from the consequences of your speech.
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I would go further and say that one of the purposes of the first amendment is expressly allow what happened to that basketball dude.

Him being banned is the sign of a healthy society in terms of free speech.
 
sawyerloggingon said:
Bundy's problem and none of your business
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That would actually be Sterling's and the NBA's problem. I didn't "demand" that the NBA do anything to Sterling, but I do think they were right in what they did to save their brand in the black community.
 
sawyerloggingon said:
The two examples in the OP are not any ones employee but I still disagree. You should not be fired for having different beliefs than your employer.
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If it affects their business, then....for example, if you run a kosher deli and it gets out that one of your employees is a rabid anti-semite....
 
Racism is directly resultant of Free Thought. There is, despite the left's constant attempts, no way to actually control someones thoughts. Freedom of Thought is a naturally occurring "Right" of all people.

Yes, I am aware the brainwashing can limit or restrict a persons "freedom of thought" but even then, it can only limit it and that limit can be removed. I am also aware that acts of racism fall under "Freedom of Expression" and that the freedom to express oneself can be restricted.

But, when you choose to support or act to suppress someone else's "freedom of expression" because you disagree with them, you leave it open for others, who might disagree with you, to do the same thing to you.
 
sawyerloggingon said:
The two examples in the OP are not any ones employee but I still disagree. You should not be fired for having different beliefs than your employer.
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It's notthat you have different beliefs. It's that you go blabbing about them. Let's say you believed it was okay to molest children. As long as you aren't doing it you aren't breaking any law. But if you start running your mouth about it, the employer can absolutely fire you.

You have the right to your opinion. You have the right to voice it. But the employer can tell you that you can't in his property or in his employ. Now you can go blabbering about it under his employ but he has the right to terminate said employment. Are you saying he shouldn't? Are you saying that if a guy that works in an R&B record store that has a customer base of 75% black people can go on about how much he hates black people and can't wait for the khan really this evening? And if the employer islosing business he is just stuck with that guy?

I think an employer has the right to fire you.

Other wise I answered your question. Yes you have the right to be racist. Nobody locks up the Klan or the black Panthers that ought to be enough.
 
I didn't know how to respond to the question of the thread. I don't think anyone has a right to be racist, yet so many Americans believe that certain people have every right to be racist. These Americans who believe in selective racism go so far as to say, for example, African-Americans can't be racist, since their ancestors were victims of racism...

My local newspaper has a daily section from USA today and I saw this quote in said USA Today from Al Sharpton saying something like, in my rephrase, racism should be revealed and punished at any turn.
My thought is: really, does the USA Today realize Sharpton is a racist? Is the USA Today's rational for using Sharpton's quote because a racist would sure know another racist? Like Capone would sure know Bonnie and Clyde?

And how can the African-American society evolve... grow.. prosper.. when these double standards are institutionalized in law?
 
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sawyerloggingon said:
All this media blitz on Bundy and The basketball guy has me wondering if we now have thought police in this country. I'm not racist myself but I don't see what the big deal is if you are. We have laws to protect people from racism so your opinion should be a right and you should not be punished for what you believe. IMO firing someone for being a racist is anti American and flies in the face of free speech.
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you have a right to believe what you wish.

Your empoyer has the right to fire you for any reason he wishes...and does not have to give you a reason why.

Proving your employer fired you for what you believe is hard to prove.
 
Redress said:
No one lost their job for their thoughts.
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Expressing them, yes. It's about as close as we have to controlling thought, however.

I'm just amused at the disingenuous here. It's as if public pressure has never been used by conservatives to try to remove someone from a position of power or make them isolated in public discourse.

Damn wimps can't admit they'd clamor to do the same thing if Jesse Jackson got recorded in a private conversation.

Admit it folks, you're just as interested in using power as the rest of us.
 
Michelle's QUITE lovely, actually,and Hilary, at one point, was at least nice looking. But they are gun grabbing wanna be hitlers, so looks have nothing to do with it.
 
Of course we'd like to get rid of Jesse, any way we can, because he's a jerk. Have you heard what he called Obama, after the latter got the presidential nomination (which Jesse has striven for ever since he first dipped his hankie in Martin's blood)?
 
I think the guy is well within his rights to be racist if he wants. I also don't believe he should be forced to sell his team (which he's said he won't do). From what I understand, the NBA has no by-laws that regulate the speech of any owner. The commissioner may have over stepped his bounds with the lifetime ban. Any lawyer worth his salt will most likely carve the NBA up on this. I have heard numerous legal analysts say (on ESPN radio) that while the NBA was right in doing what it did, the legal ramifications could get ugly IF Sterling decides to fight it. I'm interested to see if he does. IMO, the dude should be able to say whatever he feels like saying.

He obviously doesn't allow it to affect his decisions with the team. He was the second NBA team owner in league history to have a black General Manager (Elgin Baylor), he just let a successful white coach's contract expire (Vinny Del Negro) and hired a black coach for this season (Doc Rivers), the majority of his team is black, he was nominated for an award from the NAACP, etc, etc. I say all that to show that the NBA, while having a recording of him saying racist things, has nothing else to use against him as far as proving his dealings with the team were of a racist nature. We'll see what the legal system does with it. It could get ugly if Sterling wants to fight.
 
No law should be aimed at people's opinions. That is idiotic.
 
Bodhisattva said:
No law should be aimed at people's opinions. That is idiotic.
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There's no law involved. It's a private organization. What happened to the racist cry of "Freedom of Association!!11!!"
 
ecofarm said:
There's no law involved. It's a private organization. What happened to the racist cry of "Freedom of Association!!11!!"
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I answered the OP. I have no idea what you are talking about...
 
Bodhisattva said:
No law should be aimed at people's opinions. That is idiotic.
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Well I think the point is..... does someone have a right to fire you for your personal opinions? When those opinions were never meant to be public.
 
celticwar17 said:
Well I think the point is..... does someone have a right to fire you for your personal opinions? When those opinions were never meant to be public.
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In Indiana they can fire you for any or no reason. Start a thread about that and watch the sides shift.
 
Cardinal said:
That boat sailed a long time ago. So rather than repeat yourself for the infinityith time, just tell us where it's against the law to demand someone's resignation/firing. I already have the Constitution to tell me it's legal, you show me where it's illegal.
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If being racist is not a right...then what is the alternative?

Arresting people for making racist statements?
 
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