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Is being racist a right?[W:343]

Is being racist a right

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sawyerloggingon said:
Say bad things about them, don't buy their product but don't demand they be fired for having beliefs different than yours.
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So you do want to curb people's freedom of speech, interesting.
 
sawyerloggingon said:
If you are calling me a racist you should give an example or two.
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Here's one I remember off the top of my head:

sawyerloggingon said:
I couldn't help but notice that any area I was in that was largely Hispanic was also very trashy. The more dark faces the more litter. My parents live in a very nice area in Morgan Hill where it is "lilly white" as some goof ball put it here earlier and there is zero trash on the streets. Compare this to the hoods I drove through in the valley on the road to Gilroy (The Old Monterey Highway) where I saw mostly Hispanics and the difference is kind of right in your face. The trash was literally piled up against fences, stray dogs roam the streets, houses are unkempt, lawns not mowed and junk cars that have not run in years sit on blocks. Yes it looks just like Mexico and that was the point of my OP. California is turning into Mexifornia.
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Helix said:
you have the right to hold any racist view that you want. however, as you guys accurately pointed out (but have somehow forgotten) during the Dixie Chicks thing ten years ago, there is no constitutional right to consequence free speech. right or wrong, they pissed off their audience and got yanked from the radio for a while. this guy has pissed off pretty much all of the fans, the coach, and the team itself. no one is going to arrest him for his opinions, but there will still be economic consequences.
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You have to rember the dix chicks also dissed their fans and people like me just decided not to buy their music. We did not however demand their record company drop them.
 
DiAnna said:
Being a racist isn't against the law. Nobody is going to arrest Stirling and Bundy, or throw them in prison for the crime of being racist.

However, racist words and actions have consequences, and both are reaping those consequences now. I won't lose a minute's sleep over either of them. They're both scum.
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Scum have rights too and demanding they be fired for being scum muzzles their right to free speech.
 
Redress said:
Which of them was arrested for their thoughts? Neither? Well, so much for the thought police.

Now, as to the question: there is no inherent right to be racist, but there is also no real way to penalize it.
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Losing your job for your thoughts is indeed an example of thought police.
 
sawyerloggingon said:
Losing your job for your thoughts is indeed an example of thought police.
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If I were Stirling and wanted to continue airing my racist feelings in public without too much negative blowback I'd start a company with a racist image, racist employees and a racist customer base. Voila.
 
CLAX1911 said:
I don't know of any laws protecting people from racism. If there is anything to be protected from.

But yeah you have the right to be racist, you have the right to publicly speak about it.

You don't have the right to force employers or organizations to keep you in spite of your racist tendencies.

So voice your opinion all you wish but you have to deal with the consequences.
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The two examples in the OP are not any ones employee but I still disagree. You should not be fired for having different beliefs than your employer.
 
sawyerloggingon said:
The general public can choose not to buy your service or product but they have no right to demand your resignation.
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Really? Please point this law out to me.
 
Gardener said:
Your ignorance here is obviously quite intentional, because as so many people have pointed out to you -- the govenment has imposed no consequences for his racism.
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That is why in the poll the second answer was " racism should be illegal". The libs in here seem to be enforcing such a law themselves or at least attempting to.
 
sawyerloggingon said:
I'm not the boycott type. I will buy your product if it is a good one no matter what your beliefs. I have even been known to watch George clueless movies because he is a good actor in good movies.
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What if you find out that he contributes to the KKK or the Aryan Nation with the profits you give him? Me, I would find another product not caring if it costs a bit more or lasts a little less just because he might do just that.
You can be a racist asshole but generally there are going to be consequences.
 
sawyerloggingon said:
You have to rember the dix chicks also dissed their fans and people like me just decided not to buy their music. We did not however demand their record company drop them.
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then again, i am mistaken
i recall the shrub supporters to be so outraged about Natalie Maines' comment that she was "ashamed the President of the United States is from Texas" that they demanded the radio stations quit playing dixie chicks songs
 
sawyerloggingon said:
free speech is saying someones opinions offend you. Demanding they be fired for offending you brings up the old adage, "your rights to swing your arms end where my nose begins".
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Actually free speech ends with threats of actual violence or speech that directly and intentionally results in violence. Calling for the termination of someone's job doesn't qualify.
 
sawyerloggingon said:
That is why in the poll the second answer was " racism should be illegal". The libs in here seem to be enforcing such a law themselves or at least attempting to.
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The poll was quite stupid,true.

Which of these "libs" are saying Sterling should be in jail,again? I keep seeing people trying to educate you, but you seem completely dedicated to not understanding much of anything at all.
 
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Redress said:
Not as cute as this!

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sawyerloggingon said:
free speech is saying someones opinions offend you. Demanding they be fired for offending you brings up the old adage, "your rights to swing your arms end where my nose begins".
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Demanding someone to be fired, IS freedom of speech. Whether you like it or not, it just is.
 
justabubba said:
then again, i am mistaken
i recall the shrub supporters to be so outraged about Natalie Maines' comment that she was "ashamed the President of the United States is from Texas" that they demanded the radio stations quit playing dixie chicks songs
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They never demanded the record label drop them. They just were nauseated by hearing them and asked their fav country station not to play them, huge difference.
 
Your Star said:
Demanding someone to be fired, IS freedom of speech. Whether you like it or not, it just is.
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Wrong. At the risk of repeating myself, "your right to swing your arms ends where my nose begins". You have no right to demand someone be harmed unless they broke a law. As of yet being racist is not illegal but you libs are working on it huh.
 
sawyerloggingon said:
Wrong. At the risk of repeating myself, "your right to swing your arms ends where my nose begins". You have no right to demand someone be harmed unless they broke a law. As of yet being racist is not illegal but you libs are working on it huh.
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No, you're wrong. It is perfectly legal to say that you want someone to be fired. It is your freedom of speech at work.

You are just absolutely, 100% wrong.
 
Is being racist a right?

sawyerloggingon said:
All this media blitz on Bundy and The basketball guy has me wondering if we now have thought police in this country. I'm not racist myself but I don't see what the big deal is if you are. We have laws to protect people from racism so your opinion should be a right and you should not be punished for what you believe. IMO firing someone for being a racist is anti American and flies in the face of free speech.
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Absolutely and the government is not involved with prosecuting him so his rights aren't being infringed.

What you are really asking is if there should be no social consequences for racism. It's a very different question and the answer is no. Society should absolutely internally regulate itself.

As far as I see it, this IS the purpose of society. To figure out it's own cultural identity and internal operating rules. By demanding we have rights that trump our relationships, we are effectively saying that we want to ignore the societal facet of human nature which cannot be done unless we are willing to sacrifice healthy human emotionality

That is almost inconceivably stupid.
 
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