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Is being racist a right?[W:343]

Is being racist a right

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GottaGo said:
If only 5,000 tickets are sold, rather then the previous 50,000.... ;)
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The real money is in the stadium itself. When a team changes hands, all the sponcerships change most times. No matter what, if the league takes the team, he will reap huge rewards.
His family will end up with the team.
 
GottaGo said:
If only 5,000 tickets are sold, rather then the previous 50,000.... ;)
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People will buy those tickets that their predecessors pass on. True fans who love that team would only be hurting themselves if they stop going to the games to make some sort of point.
 
mak2 said:
Why do you think this will help him gain some sponsors?
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Those who share certain belief systems with others tend to overestimate the degree to which others share them as well. It seems entirely normal to them from their subjective viewpoint, so it must be normal from an objective one as well.

The idea of sponsors rushing to sign on because of his racism assumes a positive rather than negative quality to the racism, itself.
 
TheNextEra said:
So let me get this straight. The right thinks it's ok to fire people because they are gay, but not if they are racist?
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Where and when did the right claim it was OK to fire people because they are gay?
 
sawyerloggingon said:
All this media blitz on Bundy and The basketball guy has me wondering if we now have thought police in this country. I'm not racist myself but I don't see what the big deal is if you are. We have laws to protect people from racism so your opinion should be a right and you should not be punished for what you believe. IMO firing someone for being a racist is anti American and flies in the face of free speech.
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First, your position lacks logic and reason, if one wanted to really give it serious thought, your post is also intellectually dishonest.

No one has punished these people for what they think, these people are facing the repercussions associated with the responsibility of the First Amendment.

One person who makes multi-millions off of Blacks and minorities would like to have the right to tell another human being that they don't have the right to be friends with Black people. He has every right to say that, he doesn't have the right to force that view on anyone else.

Further, this man's racism has been proven to be more than thoughts, he has a history of racist and discriminatory actions resulting in the harm to other races of people.

The Blitz on Bundy had nothing to do with racism, it was about a mooching thief who has cheated the govt and citizens of millions of dollars over the course of twenty years.
It only included racism when the man himself lamented if Black people didn't belong in fields picking cotton.

He has the right to voice his opinion and society has the same right to respond.
 
You have a right to feel and believe however you like- just not to do and act however you want.
 
tres borrachos said:
Not likely. A team's value isn't based on fan support.

He'll lose some sponsors, and gain some.
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And it may affect the team's ability to sign quality free agents. You've got problems if you're a pro basketball team and black players don't want to play for you.
 
Being racist, or displaying any other bigotry, is a free speech right but will likely piss off your employer, turn away support from sponsors and reduce the customer/fan base resulting in your employment being terminated (just ask Paula Deen). You can exercise a right and still suffer non-gov't consequences. It is also a right to comment negatively upon the actions, ethnicity, appearance or religion of a stranger but you may well expect to get some lumps and bumps from doing so. ;)
 
I think the poll creates a false dichotomy. The idea that something is either a right or should be illegal is flawed. Loads of things aren't rights but are obviously not illegal.

I'm not convinced being racist (as an the internal attitude and opinion) is an active choice anyway. Someone either is or isn't. You can take conscious actions to try to change your opinion (such as getting to know individuals in the group you object to) but that can only indirectly influence your subconscious conclusions. It's much like religion in that way.

What you choose to do about it is obvious more significant, in general and in law. A lot of actions "inspired" by religion would/should be illegal anyway of course (acts of violence etc.) but there are plenty of racist actions which should be discouraged, with criminal or civil law being one possible tool to aid that (various employment laws being a classic example).
 
rocket88 said:
And it may affect the team's ability to sign quality free agents. You've got problems if you're a pro basketball team and black players don't want to play for you.
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So at the end of the season, when all the black players and black coaches who work there now quit, the people who live in LA will still get to decide how important this all is to them or not. Same as they do today, really.
 
zimmer said:
Where and when did the right claim it was OK to fire people because they are gay?
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you are saying the right does not support and defend 'at will' employment?
 
I really dislike the false dichotomy presented in the poll.
IMO firing someone for being a racist is anti American and flies in the face of free speech.
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Free speech in the United States doesn't mean private corporations can't punish you for what you say regardless of the circumstances. It just means that legislators can't pass legislation that prohibits free speech.
 
tres borrachos said:
WTF is up with these people who make up such BS, seriously?
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The beauty of free speech is you get to see how deceitful these people are, and their deceit is so blinding and deep they simply think nothing of spouting it out publicly.

They are simply willing to deny the obvious when it stares them in the face. Luckily, I was a Lib who was curious and not raised to live lies. Once I saw the truth behind the Leftist, I left the Left. I wonder how these folks stomach it after learning their ideology is corrupt to the core and responsible for almost all the government created ills foisted upon society.
 
Being a racist is a right. Its also despicable.
 
sawyerloggingon said:
All this media blitz on Bundy and The basketball guy has me wondering if we now have thought police in this country. I'm not racist myself but I don't see what the big deal is if you are. We have laws to protect people from racism so your opinion should be a right and you should not be punished for what you believe. IMO firing someone for being a racist is anti American and flies in the face of free speech.
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If you have to preface or suffix something you say with "I'm not a racist, but" you might want to take a closer look at what you're about to say.

Anyway, you have every right to have racist opinions but you don't have the right to act upon them due to anti-discrimination laws.
 
Yet another stupid poll. There is no right to be a racist. There is an ABILITY to be a racist. No one can stop you from hating other races, they can simply stop you from acting on that hatred.
 
tres borrachos said:
So at the end of the season, when all the black players and black coaches who work there now quit, the people who live in LA will still get to decide how important this all is to them or not. Same as they do today, really.
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The people of LA have already decided long ago that they don't give a **** about the Clippers. There's the whole issue of the other, more successful NBA franchise in the same building.

But yes, if black players hesitate to sign with your team and you're playing second fiddle, the value of your franchise will diminish.
 
TheNextEra said:
Did I say "you" personally?
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No. And I didn't take it personally. I read you blanket statement as just that. You said "the right", as in its entirety.

Would you like to retract the original statement? This one:

TheNextEra said:
So let me get this straight. The right thinks it's ok to fire people because they are gay, but not if they are racist?
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zimmer said:
Where and when did the right claim it was OK to fire people because they are gay?
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Umm...over and over again they claim the right to free association and that they can discriminate against anyone if they so choose.
 
I think I have mention how I was raised before so I wont bore you again. Lets just say until I went into the Marine Corps I probably did not know any black person on a first name basis. By the time I had been in the Corps about a year I realized I had been lied to my whole life, they and us were just alike. Being a racist requires self imposed ignorance and constant cofirmation bias, kinda like seeing a black guy sitting on his porch and assuming he is a lazy bumb on welfare and seeing a white guy sitting on his porch drinking a beer and assuming he just got home from work. I think one must actively maintain ones racist (ness).
HonestJoe said:
I think the poll creates a false dichotomy. The idea that something is either a right or should be illegal is flawed. Loads of things aren't rights but are obviously not illegal.

I'm not convinced being racist (as an the internal attitude and opinion) is an active choice anyway. Someone either is or isn't. You can take conscious actions to try to change your opinion (such as getting to know individuals in the group you object to) but that can only indirectly influence your subconscious conclusions. It's much like religion in that way.

What you choose to do about it is obvious more significant, in general and in law. A lot of actions "inspired" by religion would/should be illegal anyway of course (acts of violence etc.) but there are plenty of racist actions which should be discouraged, with criminal or civil law being one possible tool to aid that (various employment laws being a classic example).
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sawyerloggingon said:
All this media blitz on Bundy and The basketball guy has me wondering if we now have thought police in this country. I'm not racist myself but I don't see what the big deal is if you are. We have laws to protect people from racism so your opinion should be a right and you should not be punished for what you believe. IMO firing someone for being a racist is anti American and flies in the face of free speech.
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I don't think it's so much that you have a "right" to be a racist, but that we cannot control people's thoughts and feelings. Then we would be the thought police, and THAT does fly in the face of freedom IMO.
 
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