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    re: Is being racist a right?[W:343]

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    So at the end of the season, when all the black players and black coaches who work there now quit, the people who live in LA will still get to decide how important this all is to them or not. Same as they do today, really.
    The people of LA have already decided long ago that they don't give a **** about the Clippers. There's the whole issue of the other, more successful NBA franchise in the same building.

    But yes, if black players hesitate to sign with your team and you're playing second fiddle, the value of your franchise will diminish.


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    This issue has been plowed more times than Paris Hilton.
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    Too bad we have to observe human rights.

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    re: Is being racist a right?[W:343]

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Did I say "you" personally?
    No. And I didn't take it personally. I read you blanket statement as just that. You said "the right", as in its entirety.

    Would you like to retract the original statement? This one:

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    So let me get this straight. The right thinks it's ok to fire people because they are gay, but not if they are racist?
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    re: Is being racist a right?[W:343]

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    Where and when did the right claim it was OK to fire people because they are gay?
    Umm...over and over again they claim the right to free association and that they can discriminate against anyone if they so choose.


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    This issue has been plowed more times than Paris Hilton.
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    re: Is being racist a right?[W:343]

    I think I have mention how I was raised before so I wont bore you again. Lets just say until I went into the Marine Corps I probably did not know any black person on a first name basis. By the time I had been in the Corps about a year I realized I had been lied to my whole life, they and us were just alike. Being a racist requires self imposed ignorance and constant cofirmation bias, kinda like seeing a black guy sitting on his porch and assuming he is a lazy bumb on welfare and seeing a white guy sitting on his porch drinking a beer and assuming he just got home from work. I think one must actively maintain ones racist (ness).
    Quote Originally Posted by HonestJoe View Post
    I think the poll creates a false dichotomy. The idea that something is either a right or should be illegal is flawed. Loads of things aren't rights but are obviously not illegal.

    I'm not convinced being racist (as an the internal attitude and opinion) is an active choice anyway. Someone either is or isn't. You can take conscious actions to try to change your opinion (such as getting to know individuals in the group you object to) but that can only indirectly influence your subconscious conclusions. It's much like religion in that way.

    What you choose to do about it is obvious more significant, in general and in law. A lot of actions "inspired" by religion would/should be illegal anyway of course (acts of violence etc.) but there are plenty of racist actions which should be discouraged, with criminal or civil law being one possible tool to aid that (various employment laws being a classic example).
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    re: Is being racist a right?[W:343]

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    All this media blitz on Bundy and The basketball guy has me wondering if we now have thought police in this country. I'm not racist myself but I don't see what the big deal is if you are. We have laws to protect people from racism so your opinion should be a right and you should not be punished for what you believe. IMO firing someone for being a racist is anti American and flies in the face of free speech.
    I don't think it's so much that you have a "right" to be a racist, but that we cannot control people's thoughts and feelings. Then we would be the thought police, and THAT does fly in the face of freedom IMO.

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    re: Is being racist a right?[W:343]

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    No. And I didn't take it personally. I read you blanket statement as just that. You said "the right", as in its entirety.

    Would you like to retract the original statement?
    But it's OK to make blanket statements about "the left...."


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    Too bad we have to observe human rights.

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    re: Is being racist a right?[W:343]

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    If you have to preface or suffix something you say with "I'm not a racist, but" you might want to take a closer look at what you're about to say.

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    But some of his best friends there in the Idaho panhandle are black, Wiseone!
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    re: Is being racist a right?[W:343]

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    The people of LA have already decided long ago that they don't give a **** about the Clippers. There's the whole issue of the other, more successful NBA franchise in the same building.

    But yes, if black players hesitate to sign with your team and you're playing second fiddle, the value of your franchise will diminish.
    So then if the city of LA doesn't give a **** about the Clippers, and they're a second rate organization, then this is all a non-issue.

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    re: Is being racist a right?[W:343]

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Umm...over and over again they claim the right to free association and that they can discriminate against anyone if they so choose.
    Some may be opposed to gay marriage, but give me some links where the right is against free association or gay employees.

    The statement is nuts, and you showed a level of intellectual dishonesty or pure ignorance by jumping in in its defense and adding to the idiocy of the original statement with your bit about free association.
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    re: Is being racist a right?[W:343]

    Quote Originally Posted by GottaGo View Post
    Believing something is one thing. Acting on it or verbalizing it to the detriment of others is another.....
    Are you kidding me? What is free speech if not the right to say "offensive" things? Is verbalizing a NO vote to a "good" bill (say reparations to descendants of slavery) not able to be said to be to the detriment of others (those that would benefit from it or voted YES)?

    EDIT: What you seem to support is that only "politically correct" speech is protected.
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