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    re: Is being racist a right?[W:343]

    Well this has been an interesting thread for me. It seems that those who lean right are in favor of free speech and free thought whether they agree with it or not. Those that lean left seem to feel that any view point considered wrong by society should not be tolerated and the person in question needs punished. A re education camp policy maybe? A gulag perhaps?

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    re: Is being racist a right?[W:343]

    Quote Originally Posted by Buck Ewer View Post
    Once it was out ...it was out... It was no longer a privately held belief at that point ... and he didn't try to deny it. At that point it was a toxicity to the workplace that the NBA managed.
    The lesson to be learned here is that if someone is a racist asshole in a club that frowns on that mode of thinking ...they better keep it quietly under their hat.
    He would still be unknown as a racist asshole, to the other members of his club, if he never expressed it to another person.
    He made that mistake.
    Now he must suffer the consequences of that mistake.
    Well God help us all if EVERYTHING we think, say, write, or express in private--what we never intended to be made public--is fair game for those who will go to any lengths to find something to use to discredit or smear us, and we are all subject to consequences for being who and what we are. That leaves the door wide open to destroy a person's relationships, get him/her fired from any job, barred from any organization, unable to compete, unable to live his/her life in peace. Every one of us then has to measure every single word or expressed thought--walk on constant eggshells lest we let something inadvertently slip that somebody will use to ruin us.

    We either believe in unalienable rights, liberty, the complete freedom to be who and what we are so long as we do not require unwilling participation or contribution, i.e. violate the rights, of any other, or we give those with the most power the ability to dictate what we must do, be, believe, say, or think in order to avoid being destroyed. And when we get to that point, there is no more liberty and no real rights at all. There is only that which some authority will allow and can change on a whim.
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    re: Is being racist a right?[W:343]

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    Well this has been an interesting thread for me. It seems that those who lean right are in favor of free speech and free thought whether they agree with it or not. Those that lean left seem to feel that any view point considered wrong by society should not be tolerated and the person in question needs punished. A re education camp policy maybe? A gulag perhaps?
    In both the case of the racist asshole Bundy and the case of the racist asshole "the basketball guy" the "punishment" has not come from any state agency or board or bureau or governmental institution so this bleating about a gulag is just political bullshat.
    The "punishment" came from political / societal pressures and from peers.
    In fact neither were "punishments" per se ...they were really just the societal consequences of being racist assholes.
    Last edited by Buck Ewer; 05-03-14 at 03:50 PM.

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    re: Is being racist a right?[W:343]

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    Well God help us all if EVERYTHING we think, say, write, or express in private--what we never intended to be made public--is fair game for those who will go to any lengths to find something to use to discredit or smear us, and we are all subject to consequences for being who and what we are. That leaves the door wide open to destroy a person's relationships, get him/her fired from any job, barred from any organization, unable to compete, unable to live his/her life in peace. Every one of us then has to measure every single word or expressed thought--walk on constant eggshells lest we let something inadvertently slip that somebody will use to ruin us.

    We either believe in unalienable rights, liberty, the complete freedom to be who and what we are so long as we do not require unwilling participation or contribution, i.e. violate the rights, of any other, or we give those with the most power the ability to dictate what we must do, be, believe, say, or think in order to avoid being destroyed. And when we get to that point, there is no more liberty and no real rights at all. There is only that which some authority will allow and can change on a whim.
    I'll bet that pedophiles who quietly keep a bunch of child pornography privately in their homes who are outed and pay the the consequences, think that their "inalienable rights" were violated too.

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    re: Is being racist a right?[W:343]

    Quote Originally Posted by Buck Ewer View Post
    I'll bet that pedophiles who quietly keep a bunch of child pornography privately in their homes who are outed and pay the the consequences, think that their "inalienable rights" were violated too.
    What anybody does in the privacy of their own homes that requires no contribution or participation from any other person; i.e. violates nobody's unalienable rights, is their own business. It is only in the buying/selling of what the law deems illegal and/or the acting out in illegal ways that should be anybody's business. So fit your red herring into that equation and you have your answer.

    Sterling for instance was in a private moment and was not doing anything illegal or unethical in any way. He was violating nobody's rights. He was just being who and what he is. And though who and what he is probably is somebody I wouldn't want to be around, it is otherwise none of my business whatsoever.
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    re: Is being racist a right?[W:343]

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    What anybody does in the privacy of their own homes that requires no contribution or participation from any other person; i.e. violates nobody's unalienable rights, is their own business. It is only in the buying/selling of what the law deems illegal and/or the acting out in illegal ways that should be anybody's business. So fit your red herring into that equation and you have your answer.

    Sterling for instance was in a private moment and was not doing anything illegal or unethical in any way. He was violating nobody's rights. He was just being who and what he is. And though who and what he is probably is somebody I wouldn't want to be around, it is otherwise none of my business whatsoever.
    The part of the equation that you missed is that Sterling was in what basically amounted to a big private club (the NBA). It was the business of that club whose constituency is largely black.
    They were perfectly within their prerogatives to toss him out on his racist ass if they found out the convictions that he secretly harbored and was willing to express to at least one person.
    Nothing needed to be illegal to be found abhorrent to his club. He was a stupid asshole, the organization he was part of thought so and now he pays the consequences.
    Nobody's laws or rights were violated. Societal consequences came to bear on a racist asshole.
    I have no problem with that at all.
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    re: Is being racist a right?[W:343]

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    You did indeed put words in my mouth . I never said your opinion alone makes you a fascist, I did say wanting to punish others for their opinions makes you a fascist.

    Now, I do believe there is a fascist taking part in this conversation . . . I just won't say who I think it is
    You are too funny. But not in a laugh with YOU funny kinda way. Nope . . . it's a LAUGH AT YOU kind of funny. I asked you 4-questions . . . answer one. Never mind, it would defeat the whole purpose of your thread. You are by far the least original . .. non-thinking/non-reading member of the forum. So, how did that work out for you Sparky?

    I truly gasp at the message you and your ilk try to pass along. You give me COPD . . . I hope OBAMACARE takes care of me. It's surely taking care of you unless you are a liar.

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    re: Is being racist a right?[W:343]

    Quote Originally Posted by Buck Ewer View Post
    The part of the equation that you missed is that Sterling was in what basically amounted to a big private club (the NBA). It was the business of that club whose constituency is largely black.
    They were perfectly within their prerogatives to toss him out on his racist ass if they found out the convictions that he secretly harbored and was willing to express to at least one person.
    Nothing needed to be illegal to be found abhorrent to his club. He was a stupid asshole, the organization he was part of thought so and now he pays the consequences.
    Nobody's laws or rights were violated. Societal consequences came to bear on a racist asshole.
    I have no problem with that at all.
    Whatever agreements/rules/regulations are involved between Sterling and the NBA are their business. Not yours. Not mine. Not anybody else's. For the race baiters and other 'holier than thou' types to chime on this is, in my opinion, is disgraceful and should be as condemned as much as anything Sterling said. I am NOT condoning or supporting anything Sterling said. I in fact think he probably is a racist jerk. But as long as he keeps that private and it does not affect anybody else, it should have remained private. I wonder who paid the girlfriend to tape it and make it public?
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    re: Is being racist a right?[W:343]

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    Whatever agreements/rules/regulations are involved between Sterling and the NBA are their business. Not yours. Not mine. Not anybody else's. For the race baiters and other 'holier than thou' types to chime on this is, in my opinion, is disgraceful and should be as condemned as much as anything Sterling said. I am NOT condoning or supporting anything Sterling said. I in fact think he probably is a racist jerk. But as long as he keeps that private and it does not affect anybody else, it should have remained private. I wonder who paid the girlfriend to tape it and make it public?
    Maybe she, being a proud woman of color did this on her own volition ...ever thought of that?
    I never offered my opinion on Sterling.
    I was asked my opinion in this stupid poll.

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    re: Is being racist a right?[W:343]

    Quote Originally Posted by Buck Ewer View Post
    Maybe she, being a proud woman of color did this on her own volition ...ever thought of that?
    I never offered my opinion on Sterling.
    I was asked my opinion in this stupid poll.
    I wasn't faulting you or anything you said. I took your comments as just participating in the discussion. But if she did this because she is a 'proud woman of color', she is as racist as he is. If she did it to punish or get even with him for something he did, she is just a regular vindictive bitch. If she did it for money, she is despicable. Friends don't do things like that to friends. Honorable people don't win the trust of somebody pretending to be a friend and then trash it like that.
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