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    re: Is being racist a right?[W:343]

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    Something about he doesn't have a right to own a team. Geez bud, I tried to compliment you for your honesty and you have a cow. WTF
    I don't see the right to own a team listed in the constitution.
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    re: Is being racist a right?[W:343]

    Quote Originally Posted by CLAX1911 View Post
    I don't see the right to own a team listed in the constitution.
    Declaration of independence good enough for you? Pursuit of happiness ring a bell?

    "We hold these truths to be sacred & undeniable; that all men are created equal & independant, that from that equal creation they derive rights inherent & inalienable, among which are the preservation of life, & liberty, & the pursuit of happiness; ..

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    re: Is being racist a right?[W:343]

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    Condemning someone is one thing, calling for them to be punished is quite another. One is expressing your opinion while the other is demanding there be punishment for an opinion you disagree with.
    Both instances are someone using their speech to express their negative opinion towards something.

    So just because I want to clearly understand you...

    Do you think people should not be allowed to suggest that someone should be fired? What about suggesting they'll refuse to use a product or service any longer?

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    re: Is being racist a right?[W:343]

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Both instances are someone using their speech to express their negative opinion towards something.

    So just because I want to clearly understand you...

    Do you think people should not be allowed to suggest that someone should be fired? What about suggesting they'll refuse to use a product or service any longer?
    I think my statement on this was perfectly clear and you are just pretending not to get it. Read it again.

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon
    Condemning someone is one thing, calling for them to be punished is quite another. One is expressing your opinion while the other is demanding there be punishment for an opinion you disagree with.

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    re: Is being racist a right?[W:343]

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    Declaration of independence good enough for you? Pursuit of happiness ring a bell?

    "We hold these truths to be sacred & undeniable; that all men are created equal & independant, that from that equal creation they derive rights inherent & inalienable, among which are the preservation of life, & liberty, & the pursuit of happiness; ..
    yep, nothing about owning a team.
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    re: Is being racist a right?[W:343]

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    Something about he doesn't have a right to own a team. Geez bud, I tried to compliment you for your honesty and you have a cow. WTF
    He has the right to "own a team" in the same way John in New York has a right to "Work at McDonalds".

    He's able to do so. But the corporation is under no obligation to hire either of them, or keep either of them employed, unless it's some part of binding contract.

    Sterling owned a Franchise within a larger business. As part of his agreement governing his ownership of said franchise, he agreed that he could be removed from owning that portion of the larger business if a percentage of his business partners voted in a particular way.

    He does not have a "right" to be exempt from his businesses rules and regulations. No more than an employee that a boss wants to fire has a "right" to be exempt from his businesses rules and regulations.

    Donald Sterling was the owner of the Clippers, but the Clippers were one of 30 franchises under the overall business of the National Basketball Association.

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    re: Is being racist a right?[W:343]

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    I think my statement on this was perfectly clear and you are just pretending not to get it. Read it again.

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon
    Condemning someone is one thing, calling for them to be punished is quite another. One is expressing your opinion while the other is demanding there be punishment for an opinion you disagree with.
    Right, so you think they are two seperate things. I'm acknowledging you feel that way.

    I ask again.

    Do you think people should not be allowed to demand punishment for an opinion they disagree with?

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    re: Is being racist a right?[W:343]

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    Boycott all you want but don't demand someone be punished for having views you disagree with. That crosses a line.
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    re: Is being racist a right?[W:343]

    Of course a person has the right to be a racist. No, there should be no state punishment for voicing your belief. However, those people who hear your belief are free, and they have the right to choose not to do business with you (i.e. boycott) and sponsors who do business with you (pay you money to have their company name on a banner in your business) have the right to pull their advertising and do business with someone else (or nobody else). Without the ad revenue your sponsors used to provide, and without the ticket sales from your fans, you could be bankrupt quickly and that is all within the rights of the fans and sponsors. While you have the right to your opinions and nobody can DEMAND punishment from the govt., individuals have the right to run away from your business and the business could then fail in the free market, and that is fair.

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    re: Is being racist a right?[W:343]

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    Stifling free speech is the same as burning books.
    This is great, except that didn't happen here. I do not see any government prosecution (or any force level threat as a libertarian would define force) of the guy and that is REQUIRED for the stifling of free speech.

    Economic repercussions or societal shunning is not the stiflement of free speech, thats just people having differing opinions.

    There is a huge and obvious line of demarcation here.
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