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    Re: Who do you respect more: obama or putin?

    Let's see now.

    Putin negotiated away more death and chaos in Syria.

    Putin got Iran to negotiate on nuke plans.

    Obama bombed Libya.

    Benghazi was Obama's hand caught in the cookie jar smuggling arms from Libya to Al Queda in Syria.

    Putin could shut off most of Europe's gas.

    Obama wants to control Europes gas valve.

    USA/CIA/Oligarchs/NeoNazis want to control Ukraine for why?

    The USA shows how to build democracy with Iraq. Not!

    Putin shows how to do benevolent Oligarchy with Crimea.

    This ain't rocket science.

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    Re: Who do you respect more: obama or putin?

    I"ll go for Putin as his pursuit of Russian national interests in Crimea led to the "annexation" or "restoration" (I can accept the "resoration" argument) of the region to Russian control with out serious loss of life and with out serious concequences for Russia were masterful.

    Now, if only he would be content with Crimea... .

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    Putin could shut off most of Europe's gas.
    And in doing so, shut down the Russian economy.
    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    USA/CIA/Oligarchs/NeoNazis want to control Ukraine for why?
    Ukriane and Russia have about the same percentages of neo nazis and oligarchs. Anti semitism exits in Kiev- it also exists in Kansas City. Meanwhile, a Jewish businessman is running for the Ukrainian presidency: http://www.jta.org/2014/03/25/news-o...esidential-bid
    Last edited by Cryptic; 04-28-14 at 12:45 PM.

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    Re: Who do you respect more: obama or putin?

    Quote Originally Posted by bubbabgone View Post
    IIIIIIIII kinda don't think "ineffective" is the right word to describe Putin in this matter.
    Do you feel the Russian people gain more from adding the Crimea than they will lose because Putin took that action?
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    Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.” ― George Bernard Shaw, Man and Superman

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    Re: Who do you respect more: obama or putin?

    Quote Originally Posted by CalGun View Post
    Its a pretty simple question. Do you respect obama or putin more?
    Well, one is a lying tyrant trying to destroy his country and uses his military as chess pieces for global imperialism, and the other is some asshole from Russia.

    I have zero respect for either so seeing as 0 = 0 I have to go with neither.
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    I've got to say that it is shadenfreudalicious to see the rich and famous fucquewads on the coast suffering from the fires.

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    Re: Who do you respect more: obama or putin?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cryptic View Post
    I"ll go for Putin as his pursuit of Russian national interests in Crimea led to the "annexation" or "restoration" (I can accept the "resoration" argument) of the region to Russian control with out serious loss of life and with out serious concequences for Russia were masterful.

    Now, if only he would be content with Crimea... .


    And in doing so, shut down the Russian economy.

    Ukriane and Russia have about the same percentages of neo nazis and oligarchs. It is pretty ironic that the last terror attack against real and imagined Jews was not perpertrated in Kiev, but in Kansas City.
    So you mean that Kansas, Kiev and Russia have about the same number of neo Nazis. I don't see Putin trying to rebuild the Soviet Union. I see Putin being forced into a situation that is going to cost Russia money and with no truly favorable options. I think the Russian economy can sustain without the sale of EU gas because they can discount it to China, India, Pakistan, etc. In the meantime the EU would suffer just as bad, perhaps worse. Putin has recently guided Russia through trying times successfully and I think the lessons learned give them both strength and confidence going forward.

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    Re: Who do you respect more: obama or putin?

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Do you feel the Russian people gain more from adding the Crimea than they will lose because Putin took that action?
    I do ... because whatever is done to Putin will have a brief minor impact and he'll end up with Crimea in the end ... as predicted here when it started.
    Crimea will be his until he doesn't want it anymore.

    But your premise is kind of flawed to begin with since I doubt Putin is thinking about how marching across Black Sea countries will benefit Natasha and little Niki.

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    Re: Who do you respect more: obama or putin?

    Quote Originally Posted by bubbabgone View Post
    I do ... because whatever is done to Putin will have a brief minor impact and he'll end up with Crimea in the end ... as predicted here when it started.
    Crimea will be his until he doesn't want it anymore.

    But your premise is kind of flawed to begin with since I doubt Putin is thinking about how marching across Black Sea countries will benefit Natasha and little Niki.
    My premise is that it is not the leaders ego, but the overall benefit/harm done to the people that they lead, that matters. .
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    Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.” ― George Bernard Shaw, Man and Superman

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    Re: Who do you respect more: obama or putin?

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    My premise is that it is not the leaders ego, but
    the overall benefit/harm done to the people that they lead, that matters.
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    It should be.
    On the ego question, in my estimation they are both on pretty equal footing.
    But I submit to you that Putin has his own goals and they are different than Obama who has his goals and strangely enough neither actually benefits the people.

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    Re: Who do you respect more: obama or putin?

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    So you mean that Kansas, Kiev and Russia have about the same number of neo Nazis.
    No, I think Russia has more than either Kiev or Kansas City:
    Moscow riots expose racism at the heart of Russian football | World news | The Observer
    Neo-Nazis and Nationalists Rally at the “Russian March” | The Interpreter
    Student arrested over Russian neo-Nazi 'execution' video | World news | The Guardian
    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    I think the Russian economy can sustain without the sale of EU gas because they can discount it to China, India, Pakistan, etc.
    Sure, Russia can sell gas to other customers by discounting it, but can they afford to discount it?

    Russia is not like the Arab nations who had hugre reserves, small populations and no internal problems. Russia has 170 million people depending on gas exports, and some of their natural gas reserves are in non Russian areas.

    Not me. Though Ukraine has not paid for months, they have not cut them off - and I dont think that is because the are being kind. My guess is that Russia needs every sale. In addition, they might not want to be dependent on Chinese sales as the Chinese, like Putin also play "hard ball".

    Dependency could place Russia at a big disadvantage. At least the EU does not have territorial ambitions. The Chinese might in east Siberia.
    Last edited by Cryptic; 04-28-14 at 01:18 PM.

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    Re: Who do you respect more: obama or putin?

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    well, one is a neo Czar who is trying to reassemble the Soviet Union, and the other is getting sucked into a situation which is none of our business because the rest of the world expects us to get involved in every conflict and then turns around and resents us for doing it.

    i guess the question is : why in the **** are we talking about respect, and why in the **** aren't we talking about our foreign policy and how to change it?


    Who in "the rest of the world" expects the US to try to pry the Ukraine away from Russia in the first place?

    Now that Putin has made good on HIS promise to George W. Bush to "tear her apart" should the US meddle in Kyiv, the Obama administration, in typical form, simply could not conceive that Putin would respond; they really have no idea what to do about it. So desperate are they, they are now trying to include civilians who have dealings with Russians on allied countries in their hate list in violation of international law.

    As much as I find Putin a strutting Hitler-goon, he does what he says he will, knows the weakness of his opponents, and is wise of enough not to run at simple solutions in serial **** ups like Obama.

    Respect Putin? If that respect is fear based, then yes. Under Obama's watch Putin has become the greatest threat to America since Japan attacked Pearl Harbor, far more and real a threat than the terrorists you've been fighting for 14 years.
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