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Is There A War On Masculinity Going On In The United States?

Is there a war going on against masculinity in the United States?

  • Yes

    Votes: 24 42.9%

  • No

    Votes: 32 57.1%
  • Total voters
    56
MildSteel said:
I was looking for some background information on another topic when I stumbled across a website. I thought it was very interesting. Here's the link

Mission Statement | Women for Men



So what do you think? Is there a war going on against masculinity in the United States?
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If a war on masculinity means a war on machismo then I would say yes and it's needed. If you mean just on men in general then I would say more on white men and it's definitely not needed and just wrong. Equality doesn't mean discriminating against one group in order to attempt to make up for the discrimination in the past (or present) of another group.
 
first the person who wrote the article has to explain to me what "masculinity" is?

ask here on the forum and everyone will give a different answere.
 
votemout said:
It is because they are jealous!
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Unlikely.....it likely has more to do with weak males whining about women becoming more free to tell them they are weak.
 
cpwill said:
On purpose, no. But the way that our education system is designed by women for the way that women learn, administrated largely by women, and then taught by women, has resulted in a system that systematically disadvantages boys.
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I think there is something here (I don't know how much, but it's there).

Again, men have had an important impact in shaping education. Shortly before it became a professional occupation, it became (through a gradual process) relegated to women. Women were cheaper labor and it was seen as more suitable for their nurturing characteristics. Men would be able to, and largely encouraged to pursue their professional and esteemed interests elsewhere. Even after professionalization in the 19th century, it was still largely seen as a woman's profession, but some of that eroded over time. Our teacher colleges are still disproportionately populated by women. Perhaps it's the lack of esteem men hold for it (not to be denied), but it probably has some measure to do with women perpetuating some of the stereotypes and cultural mores.

I couldn't tell you how many ways I was told I would be an amazing fit for whatever branch of education because I was not the typical mold. While there are more men at the secondary level than there are at the elementary level, I was still seen as an asset because "we don't have enough men." Split further, given my gravitation toward special education or emotional disturbance, I was once again told I would be a terrific fit, because "we really do not have enough men." When they discover I was a former special education student, well, cherry on top. The special education and e.d. designation is important with gender, because men are much more likely to be diagnosed, and if you are a student in the ED category, far more likely to have "behavior problems" which have a disproportionate chance of leading to suspension, expulsion, or dropping out, which as you might extrapolate, begins to paint a more dreary picture for that individual's future (more likely to be impoverished, in jail, and so forth). Now, extrapolating a bit further, we have to keep in mind a large portion of your special education teachers at the secondary level tend to be elementary education based, perhaps further perpetuating some of the gender gap noted above.

Did I feel the atmosphere of an important teacher's college for my state to be to the benefit of a man? Well, yes and no. At the secondary level teacher's college, although I was aware that I was a man in a woman's world, I would say it didn't become all that obvious a large chunk of the time. Your faculty members were almost all women, your students were almost all women, but it appeared far more "gender-neutral" in terms of atmosphere and delivery than one might have presumed. In special education, on the other hand, I must say it became rather obvious, and became quick to spot out. It wasn't much of a comfortable environment for a man. Social interaction was tailored toward "women's interests," emphasis on color, cuteness, and so forth carried the day. I was perhaps one of but a few men there (most of the time, I was the only one). Of course, I must say that in SPED, there is an emphasis on various means of instruction, which ought to be of service to students of both genders and students of any variety of learning style. Some of the published books discussing a school system unfit for young boys and men because of a lack of physical interaction and so on, may want to take a peak at folks like Howard Gardner and early progressive education philosophy (like John Dewey). There's much to be found in those books. That being said, I did certainly feel out of place as a man, and I have had to pull the extra mile to both pull the content out of the elementary grips to make it more suitable for secondary or higher ed and to think about how to address the apparent "need" of a male role model.

For the supposed need of the educational system to be a sort of male role model to wayward young men, I did not feel as if they actually wanted to accomplish that goal. They may be more likely to continue producing female teachers, trained for elementary-aged students, perpetuating either the over-diagnosis or lack of support of men declared to have some sort of special need.
 
Monserrat said:
They're not trying to feminize men, they're poisoning all of us it's not good for men or women. Did you read that article you posted, it suggested mammary cancers and genetic abnormalities in females. All that processed meat is horrible for you and it's usually the preservatives that are the problem. Go fresh and organic in food and other products and you should fair much better.
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yes i have studied this more then you think.

they are hyper feminizing the females as well. yes there is a serious depopulation agenda on the table.

I have been eating organic for years!

I guess what many here really need to ask is why have they not heard about all this poisoning from the Main Stain Media!

But they wont question the Boobtube ever.
 
tecoyah said:
Unlikely.....it likely has more to do with weak males whining about women becoming more free to tell them they are weak.
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WOW your so prophetic and bring so much evidence to the table with you.

How will my links with scientific proof and studies ever stand up top your insight fullness.
You should try reading I know at times it can be very difficult to understand how letters form words and then those words form sentences that in turn form scientific evidence.

Now I am going to explain to you that Estrogen is produced in the ovaries, adrenal glands and fat tissues.
If a man want to lets say become more like a woman they would take estrogen. They start to develop breasts and have decreased masculinity!


Bisphenol A Mimics Estrogen, Phthalates Target Testosterone

NEW YORK, Feb. 5 -- Call these chemicals "his" and "her" endocrine disruptors.

Although they have been linked to reproductive problems in both sexes, bisphenol A (BPA) and phthalates -- common chemicals found in household plastics -- have gender-specific effects.

BPA mimics estrogen, while phthalates block testosterone action, Hugh S. Taylor, M.D., of Yale University, said at a press briefing.

"BPA looks like estrogen," Dr. Taylor, whose research focuses on uterine development and endocrine disruption, said of its chemical structure. "By itself it is a very weak estrogen."

The chemical stimulates uterine growth, he said, and animal studies have revealed other estrogen-like effects.

Mice that were exposed to BPA as fetuses developed abnormalities of the ovaries, uterus, and vagina, Dr. Taylor said. Other murine studies found genetic abnormalities in eggs, an increased risk of mammary cancers, and early puberty in females.


Study: Most Plastics Leach Hormone-Like Chemicals : NPR

Most plastic products, from sippy cups to food wraps, can release chemicals that act like the sex hormone estrogen, according to a in Environmental Health Perspectives.

The study found these chemicals even in products that didn't contain BPA, a compound in certain plastics that's been widely criticized because it mimics estrogen.

"Then, you greatly increase the probability that you're going to get chemicals having estrogenic activity released," he says, adding that more than 95 percent of the products tested positive after undergoing this sort of stress.


So try researching some before beating chest me TARZAN. BS
 
votemout said:
WOW your so prophetic and bring so much evidence to the table with you.

How will my links with scientific proof and studies ever stand up top your insight fullness.
You should try reading I know at times it can be very difficult to understand how letters form words and then those words form sentences that in turn form scientific evidence.

Now I am going to explain to you that Estrogen is produced in the ovaries, adrenal glands and fat tissues.
If a man want to lets say become more like a woman they would take estrogen. They start to develop breasts and have decreased masculinity!


Bisphenol A Mimics Estrogen, Phthalates Target Testosterone

NEW YORK, Feb. 5 -- Call these chemicals "his" and "her" endocrine disruptors.

Although they have been linked to reproductive problems in both sexes, bisphenol A (BPA) and phthalates -- common chemicals found in household plastics -- have gender-specific effects.

BPA mimics estrogen, while phthalates block testosterone action, Hugh S. Taylor, M.D., of Yale University, said at a press briefing.

"BPA looks like estrogen," Dr. Taylor, whose research focuses on uterine development and endocrine disruption, said of its chemical structure. "By itself it is a very weak estrogen."

The chemical stimulates uterine growth, he said, and animal studies have revealed other estrogen-like effects.

Mice that were exposed to BPA as fetuses developed abnormalities of the ovaries, uterus, and vagina, Dr. Taylor said. Other murine studies found genetic abnormalities in eggs, an increased risk of mammary cancers, and early puberty in females.


Study: Most Plastics Leach Hormone-Like Chemicals : NPR

Most plastic products, from sippy cups to food wraps, can release chemicals that act like the sex hormone estrogen, according to a in Environmental Health Perspectives.

The study found these chemicals even in products that didn't contain BPA, a compound in certain plastics that's been widely criticized because it mimics estrogen.

"Then, you greatly increase the probability that you're going to get chemicals having estrogenic activity released," he says, adding that more than 95 percent of the products tested positive after undergoing this sort of stress.


So try researching some before beating chest me TARZAN. BS
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Apparently....I touched a nerve.

So Sorry little man.(SIC)
 
When you consider there is a 2 billion dollar and growing testosterone replacement industry in the United States, I don't see the supposed war.
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
When you consider there is a 2 billion dollar and growing testosterone replacement industry in the United States, I don't see the supposed war.
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:good_job: 2+2=5 in common core math :bravo:
 
Monserrat said:
If a war on masculinity means a war on machismo then I would say yes and it's needed. If you mean just on men in general then I would say more on white men and it's definitely not needed and just wrong. Equality doesn't mean discriminating against one group in order to attempt to make up for the discrimination in the past (or present) of another group.
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So you actually feel there is more of a war on white men than black men? It is beyond me what could make you feel that way. Could you please explain?
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
When you consider there is a 2 billion dollar and growing testosterone replacement industry in the United States, I don't see the supposed war.
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What does that have to do with anything? That's a medical treatment and has nothing to do with anything being talked about. In any event, considering that doctors have stopped giving the stuff out like they did some time ago with female hormones due to health concerns, the industry isn't probably growing like it did not that long ago. Notice how the commercials have stopped? There is a reason for that.
 
MildSteel said:
So you actually feel there is more of a war on white men than black men? It is beyond me what could make you feel that way. Could you please explain?
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Its pretty obvious actually if you actually looked around you.
 
Lets see. There is a war on men launched by women; and the answer is help from a group called WFM...Women For Men.

Everybody is freaking nuts.
 
Yes but there is also a war on femininity. Neither one is PC.
 
tecoyah said:
Apparently....I touched a nerve.

So Sorry little man.(SIC)
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He just showed you to be ignorant and that is the best you got. :lamo
 
votemout said:
Its pretty obvious actually if you actually looked around you.
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I'm a black male. And when I look around me, I find that notion to be very, very absurd. In my career I have had to work in environments where the majority of the people were white conservative males. My experience has been anything but.
 
sneakosview said:
I think most women are amazingly self motivated and they really care about their coworkers. They are definitely team players and generally aren't above rolling up they're sleeves and getting the job done.
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sneakosview said:
I still think its male controlled but the gap is closing fast. Now this new multi-gender gender are the wrench that was thrown at and killed the camel.( I know it doesn't make sense but how do you make sense out of the senseless?)
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Tucker Case said:
I voted male because the economy often leaves it's dirty socks on the floor and wipes it's mouth with it's sleeve. It also never orders a salad at dinner.
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RiverDad said:
Males will lead to more success for the company and the economy, but that's a different question than you asked.
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DA60 said:
Ummmm...stereotypes and assumptions.

I think I will just pass on this.
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Aunt Spiker said:
We're easier to manage, cheaper and are wiling to put up with a lot of crap?

LOL

Sure, whatever.
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Moot said:
Women seem to have more patience with mendacity in the work force.
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There have been similar threads on this subject. Men are slowly being eliminated from the economy by the hundreds. Women are just better suited for the current economy. Male traits are undesireable in the work force. I don't think this makes male traits undesireable in every walk of life.
 
It has got so bad that some companies don't have any male employees left to fire. They have resorted to firing women. Here is just one example:

radcen said:
I had to fire someone once. She was stealing from me.
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MildSteel said:
So what do you think? Is there a war going on against masculinity in the United States?
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No. Only the self-inflicted war on effort and integrity.

What people are given to misinterpret as 'war' is merely the cumulative effect of a historical process that operates interdependently at several different levels, whereby phenomena we recognise as 'current events' are driven by generational, ideological inertia in turn lent impetus by broad shifts in awareness that occur across significant eras. That these surface ripples are mistaken for conflict rather than equilibrium (or even feedback) testifies to personal bias. What the majority understand as 'progression' is no more than projection of self-interest, as if to believe that the scales could be tipped via ego alone.

Of those men who believe themselves to be thus engaged in said 'war', I can only suggest that in believing such, they align themselves, however unwittingly, with the one-dimensional, brainless femiclowns they might otherwise have managed to undermine. It's a little disheartening, if expected. Still, the learning curve allows for self-delusion.
 
Monserrat said:
If you mean just on men in general then I would say more on white men and it's definitely not needed and just wrong. Equality doesn't mean discriminating against one group in order to attempt to make up for the discrimination in the past (or present) of another group.
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You have absolutely no idea what it is like to be a black man. You are constantly up against this kind of thing

Clippers Owner Donald Sterling to GF -- Don't Bring Black People to My Games ... Including Magic Johnson | TMZ.com

L.A. Clippers owner Donald Sterling told his GF he does NOT want her bringing black people to his games ... including Magic Johnson ... and it's ALL on tape.

TMZ Sports has obtained audio of Sterling making the racist declaration during a heated argument on April 9th with V. Stiviano ... after she posted a photo on Instagram posing with Magic.

Sterling rails on Stiviano -- who ironically is black and Mexican -- for putting herself out in public with a black person (she has since taken the pic down). But it doesn't end there. You have to listen to the audio to fully grasp the magnitude of Sterling's racist worldview. Among the comments:

-- "It bothers me a lot that you want to broadcast that you’re associating with black people. Do you have to?" (3:30)

-- "You can sleep with [black people]. You can bring them in, you can do whatever you want. The little I ask you is not to promote it on that ... and not to bring them to my games." (5:15)

-- "I’m just saying, in your lousy f******* Instagrams, you don’t have to have yourself with, walking with black people." (7:45)
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MildSteel said:
So you actually feel there is more of a war on white men than black men? It is beyond me what could make you feel that way. Could you please explain?
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Yes, specifically from the government with programs set in place that very specifically discriminate against them in order to try to help combat discrimination in the past of minorities and possible present day discrimination.
 
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MildSteel said:
You have absolutely no idea what it is like to be a black man. You are constantly up against this kind of thing

Clippers Owner Donald Sterling to GF -- Don't Bring Black People to My Games ... Including Magic Johnson | TMZ.com
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Nope, and you have no idea what's it's like to be a white woman...I've experienced racist attitudes against me for being white I've never physically witnessed any racism towards others. I recognize that it exists but I can never condone social programs that trample on the rights of others in order to make up for past and current racial discrimination. You don't fight discrimination with more discrimination and right now a lot of people seem to be okay with that and it's the white man getting the short end of the stick.
 
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