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    Re: Is Snowden a traitor?

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    I never said you did...now please answer the question.
    The question is entirely irrelevant to what I have stated. I am not going to play that kind of game. If you want to talk about what I have said, then fine, but I am not going to go argue things I have not.
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    Re: Is Snowden a traitor?

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    If the soldiers at the death camps in Nazi Germany had refused to gas those Jewish captives, would they have been considered national traitors? Yes, probably, but they would've been heroes to the world. It's not a great comparison but it is about following human conscience.
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    I feel that it is objective, so that makes it objective.

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    Re: Is Snowden a traitor?

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    China sure sells us a lot of crap for a non-ally.
    You don't have to be allies to trade. But China, Iran, and North Korea area all excellent intelligence targets.

    I'm sorry but you don't make a strong enough argument based on anything but assumption and biased emotional appeal for me to answer
    WTF - I linked to you an aggregate of Snowden's own document releases giving up programs which had nothing to do with the American metadata program.

    Intelligence has a job to do in cooperation with allies, not on them without knowledge,
    That is simply bluntly incorrect. We have information we don't share with them, and they have information they don't share with us; each IC is responsible to informing it's own decision-makers to the best of it's ability on all targets. We have five eyes, but beyond that, it's pretty much a bi-lat to open season.

    And, again, you continue to ignore that China, Iran, North Korea, the Taliban, Russia, et al are not our allies. You have no good reason for Snowden to expose our collection efforts against them.

    though that is just one of those sneaky things they all know happens. I'm sorry but Snowden just didn't do anything that most of them weren't already aware of. It's really a big non event to the intel community, only to the public.
    Dude. It's a big deal. It's a non event sort of in the way that the 9/11 attacks were non terrorist attacks.

    While you salute the spooks of our governments intelligence, I'll proudly recognize the higher principles our Nation stands for.
    that you would attempt to make that juxtaposition indicates you have little idea what you are talking about.
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    Re: Is Snowden a traitor?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    The question is entirely irrelevant to what I have stated. I am not going to play that kind of game. If you want to talk about what I have said, then fine, but I am not going to go argue things I have not.
    Oh, I see.

    So we must discuss what you said but not what I said...gotcha.

    Well, I am not playing that 'game'.

    If I can answer your questions, then you can answer mine.

    You refuse...fine.

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    Re: Is Snowden a traitor?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dion View Post
    I know this may seem old news yet more is being released and a recent conversation with a friend does not view him this way.

    I followed this story lightly and would like to dig more and hear your thoughts.

    Here is an article that sums up my perspective so far. What do you think?

    Yes, Edward Snowden Is a Traitor | The Diplomat
    Gotta say, good thread. The votes are pretty evenly divided and, reading the posts, this issue seems to defy the usual party line arguments and divisions.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ovid View Post
    I feel that it is objective, so that makes it objective.

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    Re: Is Snowden a traitor?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Zero to Godwin in 40 posts.
    What's funny is he accuses others of depending on emotionalism, but has to reach back to try to use the holocaust to defend himself.
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    Re: Is Snowden a traitor?

    Quote Originally Posted by Alyssa View Post
    Snowden gave all but his life to expose lies and corruption. He is a patriot.
    That's why he's hiding behind Putin's skirt? The Russians will kick the little bastard out eventually. Then he can take up his position as the American hero he is, breaking big rocks into little rocks at Ft. Leavenworth for the rest of his life.

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    Re: Is Snowden a traitor?

    At 15-11 in the poll, this reminds me of the approximate proportion of the Amash coalition in Congress supporting Paul's crusade against the NSA.
    NeoCons (Hawks) in both parties versus TEAs and Liberal DEMs (isolationists).
    So yes it is an example of the new coalition in the USA on foreign policy.
    Those who dismiss the end-total damage to the USA and its Allies are ..........
    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Gotta say, good thread. The votes are pretty evenly divided and, reading the posts, this issue seems to defy the usual party line arguments and divisions.
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    Re: Is Snowden a traitor?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Gotta say, good thread. The votes are pretty evenly divided and, reading the posts, this issue seems to defy the usual party line arguments and divisions.
    Yes ... interesting secondary component ...this was not a party line divided issue. Even conservatives applauded this quote by Clinton

    "I think turning over a lot of that material—intentionally or unintentionally—drained, gave all kinds of information, not only to big countries, but to networks and terrorist groups and the like. So I have a hard time thinking that somebody who is a champion of privacy and liberty has taken refuge in Russia, under Putin's authority."

    With sarcasm creeping into her voice, Clinton implied that Snowden acted all too friendly toward Vladimir Putin, whose country has been harboring Snowden since last August.

    "And then he calls in to a Putin talk show and says, 'President Putin, do you spy on people?' And President Putin says, 'Well, from one intelligence professional to another, of course not.' 'Oh, thank you so much!' I mean really. I don't know, I have a hard time following it."
    In fact I think Mrs. Clinton was too soft on the coward by saying turning over material to our adversaries intentionally or unintentionally. hell it was intentional and he fled and empowered a country that electronically spies on us and would shoot him in the head in public with no trial had ne beeen one of their own acting as a traitor.

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    Re: Is Snowden a traitor?

    Not at all. He's an American hero, IMO. I believe history will treat him as such.
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