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    Re: Is Snowden a traitor?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Are you honestly trying to suggest that laws covering classified materials and espionage are ridiculous?
    Yes, until I SEE what these materials are and that they are clearly worthy of classification, then I am not for one minute believing the government.
    As far as I am concerned, I believe NOTHING the government says...nothing. If they say something is secret, it means nothing to me until they prove it.
    The only pass I will give them is on military secrets of a technological nature (or military secrets in general during wartime).


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    Re: Is Snowden a traitor?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Are you honestly trying to suggest that laws covering classified materials and espionage are ridiculous?
    Are you honestly trying to suggest that laws covering classified materials and espionage which are unconstitutional, are fine with you?

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    Re: Is Snowden a traitor?

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    The US military and Intelligence agencies are one big pain in the ass to other countries. We so overly dominate everyone it's obnoxious. They didn't have the right to tap our allies leaders cells.
    YES THEY DO. THAT IS FULLY LEGAL AND FURTHERMORE IT"S TYPICAL. Collection on other nations is the IC's friggin job. It's why they exist in the first place.

    oh. And I don't know if you missed this, but China, Russia, and Iran AREN"T OUR ALLIES.

    All you're doing is re-pasting a bunch of stuff you don't even personally know is true.
    It's all linked - feel free to peruse.

    We have satellites that the CIA can spot the eye color of a person when positioned
    That's fascinating to hear. What is the NIIRs resolution of that? Since you know so much about it....

    And I'm sure they use surveillance techniques that Snowden has no idea about.
    Well not from the NSA because he was an administrator meaning that that little bastard could download pretty much anything that wasn't gapped.

    If the soldiers at the death camps in Nazi Germany had refused to gas those Jewish captives, would they have been considered national traitors? Yes, probably, but they would've been heroes to the world. It's not a great comparison but it is about following human conscience.
    You are right, it's not a great comparison. It is in fact, a Godwin violation. But to flip it, if someone during WWII had decided to leak the Normandy invasion plans to the Germans so that it could be beaten at the beaches that would have been treason, too, regardless of whether or not they thought that Germany's ideals of racial purity were morally superior to our own.
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    Re: Is Snowden a traitor?

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    Yes, until I SEE what these materials are and that they are clearly worthy of classification, then I am not for one minute believing the government.
    As far as I am concerned, I believe NOTHING the government says...nothing. If they say something is secret, it means nothing to me until they prove it.
    The only pass I will give them is on military secrets of a technological nature (or military secrets in general during wartime).


    Now do you believe a 'black' in U.S. history who broke a racist law that was later deemed by the Supreme Court to be unlawful was just a criminal?

    Yes or no?
    If the government shows you the secrets, they no longer are secret.

    Why do you keep trying to suggest I said things I didn't? Hint: I never used the word "just".
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    Re: Is Snowden a traitor?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    Are you honestly trying to suggest that laws covering classified materials and espionage which are unconstitutional, are fine with you?
    I don't think the espionage act is unconstitutional. Maybe you could show me that SCOTUS ruling...
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    Re: Is Snowden a traitor?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    I don't think the espionage act is unconstitutional. Maybe you could show me that SCOTUS ruling...
    the issue snowden stated was the government was engaged in unconstitutional activity.

    can the federal government bind a federal employee with federal law, if the law is an unconstitutional law?

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    Re: Is Snowden a traitor?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    YES THEY DO. THAT IS FULLY LEGAL AND FURTHERMORE IT"S TYPICAL. Collection on other nations is the IC's friggin job. It's why they exist in the first place.

    oh. And I don't know if you missed this, but China, Russia, and Iran AREN"T OUR ALLIES.



    It's all linked - feel free to peruse.



    That's fascinating to hear. What is the NIIRs resolution of that? Since you know so much about it....



    Well not from the NSA because he was an administrator meaning that that little bastard could download pretty much anything that wasn't gapped.



    You are right, it's not a great comparison. It is in fact, a Godwin violation. But to flip it, if someone during WWII had decided to leak the Normandy invasion plans to the Germans so that it could be beaten at the beaches that would have been treason, too, regardless of whether or not they thought that Germany's ideals of racial purity were morally superior to our own.


    China sure sells us a lot of crap for a non-ally.

    I'm sorry but you don't make a strong enough argument based on anything but assumption and biased emotional appeal for me to answer. Intelligence has a job to do in cooperation with allies, not on them without knowledge, though that is just one of those sneaky things they all know happens. I'm sorry but Snowden just didn't do anything that most of them weren't already aware of. It's really a big non event to the intel community, only to the public.

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    Re: Is Snowden a traitor?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    If the government shows you the secrets, they no longer are secret.

    Why do you keep trying to suggest I said things I didn't? Hint: I never used the word "just".
    I never said you did...now please answer the question.
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    Re: Is Snowden a traitor?

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    Yes, until I SEE what these materials are and that they are clearly worthy of classification, then I am not for one minute believing the government.
    As far as I am concerned, I believe NOTHING the government says...nothing. If they say something is secret, it means nothing to me until they prove it.
    The only pass I will give them is on military secrets of a technological nature (or military secrets in general during wartime).
    If they showed every secret to every U.S. citizen to determine if it should be secret, it wouldn't be secret.

    Hey if you're pissed maybe you can go to a country that doesn't have ANY secrets.....oh wait.....that would be no country. I did hear there is no official government in the CENTER of ANTARCTICA, good luck to you there since you aren't happy being an AMERICAN and seems like you cheer Snowden. Maybe you and him can bunk up there.

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    Re: Is Snowden a traitor?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    the issue snowden stated was the government was engaged in unconstitutional activity.

    can the federal government bind a federal employee with federal law, if the law is an unconstitutional law?
    Again, you have not shown that the Espionage Act is unconstitutional.
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