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    Re: Is Snowden a traitor?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dion View Post
    I would also like to add that does not mean I give a full stamp of approval to the NSA and have issues ...yet I think Snowden is a traitor based on the evidence.

    He damaged our relationships with our allies and he aided our enemies and became their propaganda queen and provided them our methods of technology. He betrayed his country.
    What they don't know won't hurt them, right? As long as we don't know we are being spied on its OK? You watch too much television news. He wasn't reckless at all.

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    Re: Is Snowden a traitor?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Yeah, that's why he had to run to Russia like a total bitch. If he was truly standing on principal he's come back and face his charges.
    Because our judicial system is so honest and fair. If the gov. willingly breaks constitutional law whats to stop them from silencing whistleblowers through the federal court? How can you blindly follow our idiotic leaders? Its hilarious. Dumb leading dumber.

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    Re: Is Snowden a traitor?

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    Oh, but there is reasonable suspicion. We know a crime has been committed and that anybody could have done so. We must reduce the number of potential perpetrators. The first steps are easy. It cannot have been someone who was on the other side of the world at the time. It cannot have been anyone, who was in jail at the time....

    We know that there was a murder for instance. We believe it was committed within a time frame. All 2.000 mobiles within a range are possible perps and all outside are much less ie not totally excluded but less somewhat probable. Checking them out is albeit a very simple case of data mining. Though most of the thousand persons are certainly innocent the data should be checked. The same in a somewhat more complicated context is true for political bribes, drug trafficking, theft, insider trading ect, ect, ect. In all of these cases the data used to eliminate the innocent and narrow down the number of suspects is essentially the same. Only more of it and of greater difficulty to manage.

    Should we mind the streets being video monitored and on tape? I don't think so. I lived in an area where everything that happened on the streets was recorded and worked in a sector, where no phone call was allowed that was not taped. This is simple self protection. The crime rate in the streets collapsed and you could always prove that you what you had said. That is great.

    That is good, because the higher availability of data reduces the probability of false indictment. It makes it more probable that the right guy or gal will be captured and in shorter time.

    It also gives the citizenry a much better way of controlling the people it must give power over itself in order to do the jobs of government. We would never have been able to get Nixon, if actions in the White House were not continuously taped.
    Reasonable suspicion applies to individuals and small groups, not to everyone who happened to be with a few miles of a crime.

    I don't want to live in a nation that listens in on my phone calls and I don't think most residents of the USA want that. I would rather take some risk of crime and even terrorism than give up all privacy. Giving more power and access to our personal information to government officials will not make them more accountable.

    Since you support data mining, please show that you are not hypocrite by posting your most recent phone bill.
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    Re: Is Snowden a traitor?

    Quote Originally Posted by JRSaindo View Post
    Because our judicial system is so honest and fair. If the gov. willingly breaks constitutional law whats to stop them from silencing whistleblowers through the federal court? How can you blindly follow our idiotic leaders? Its hilarious. Dumb leading dumber.
    Manning spent years in solitary confinement before he was put on trial. USA citizens and others have been held in Guantanamo and killed without any legitimate due process.

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    Re: Is Snowden a traitor?

    Quote Originally Posted by JRSaindo View Post
    Because our judicial system is so honest and fair. If the gov. willingly breaks constitutional law whats to stop them from silencing whistleblowers through the federal court? How can you blindly follow our idiotic leaders? Its hilarious. Dumb leading dumber.
    It's funny how many constitutional scholars there are about this. They all seem to know more than federal judges. Weird.
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    Re: Is Snowden a traitor?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    This just in - traitors don't give a damn about their country. That's why they're traitors.
    You have to have loyalty to be a traitor. Benedict Arnold was one... we don't know if Snowden was though. Just being from a country doesn't buy loyalty.

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    Re: Is Snowden a traitor?

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    I meant you guys. You feel disenfranchised, without a voice, only fed lies. So of course you hate and villainize the government It's just ignorant. The US government isn't good. It isn't bad. It's just a government, made up of regular Americans.
    Those who support Big Government without question may not be disenfranchised, but they are being lied to. Behind every truth is a dollar sign. Patriotism is a state funded religion. If flag waving didn't release endorphins, no one would do it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    <blah, blah> I can only conclude that you are very young.
    ah yes-- the over used, and non creative "you must be young" response. I was born just before Iran-Contra, thanks very much.
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    Re: Is Snowden a traitor?

    Quote Originally Posted by Alyssa View Post
    Those who support Big Government without question may not be disenfranchised, but they are being lied to. Behind every truth is a dollar sign. Patriotism is a state funded religion. If flag waving didn't release endorphins, no one would do it.
    I don't think I know of anyone that supports "Big Goverment" without question. But I certainly feel like anti-government types feel very disenfranchised.
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    Re: Is Snowden a traitor?

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    I don't think I know of anyone that supports "Big Goverment" without question. But I certainly feel like anti-government types feel very disenfranchised.
    I won't deny that. I feel as if only special interests are being represented by this government.
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    Re: Is Snowden a traitor?

    Quote Originally Posted by Alyssa View Post
    I won't deny that. I feel as if only special interests are being represented by this government.
    That's fine, but then can you understand how people in the government- specifically the intelligence community- kinda shake their head at all of this Snowden defense, because they see it from the inside...they have the knowledge, so they don't feel disenfranchised.
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