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    Re: Is Snowden a traitor?

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    And that is exactly, what I meant, when I distrusted the seriousness of your request. Why put in an effort, if the result doesn't interest you enough to read it. I find that rather shady.
    Oh come on now...if you are going to present 100 pages of proof...do you really expect me to read all that?

    But if the evidence is short and concise, then I will probably read it.

    But even then, I do not know. I might drop dead before I can, get distracted, lose interest, never come back here again...I believe in exactitude...and it would be inexact to say that I WILL for certain read it when I cannot know.
    If you want some silly lie ('I will for sure read it'), look to someone else.

    It's irrelevant anyway, IMO, there is no realistic way to accurately prove what I am asking...and I think you know that.

    And, if true, then there is no substantive basis for saying what you (and others) are about Snowden.
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    Re: Is Snowden a traitor?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Notice the part I underlined and made large...


    So what...it says 'charged AND CONVICTED'...not charged OR convicted.

    By definition, you have to have both to be a criminal.


    Your thought process is ridiculous on this...so everyone that is ever charged with something, even if they are acquitted or the charges are dropped through lack of evidence, is a criminal?

    Again...


    Edward Snowden has not been convicted of anything in a court of law...therefore - by definition - he is NOT a criminal.
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    Re: Is Snowden a traitor?

    Quote Originally Posted by solletica View Post
    Sounds like you love your govt., as opposed to your country.
    The government is part of my country. And the laws of the country are not the government.
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    Re: Is Snowden a traitor?

    So far, most people that answered this poll say he is NOT a traitor...encouraging.
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    Re: Is Snowden a traitor?

    36 out of 67 is not much of a most.
    And we have no idea how many of them are coming from Putin-sympathizers.
    We do know the Amash/Paul coalition is all over the internet .
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    Re: Is Snowden a traitor?

    Quote Originally Posted by Alyssa View Post
    There is little the public shouldn't know about its government.
    When it comes to intelligence operations- things that need to be secret to be effective- it's the vast, vast majority of it.

    I don't ignore that Snowden leaked information regarding US operations overseas. However, I do not support every US operation overseas. Piracy is what it amounts to.. Americans stealing everyone else's resources in the name of preserving liberty. Of course, Russia may invade another country. But Russia does it in the open. That's the difference.
    So now it's not bad/illegal if you don't agree with it? Should everyone adopt that standard? "I don't agree with this, so it's fine if I divulge it to the world"?
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    Re: Is Snowden a traitor?

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post


    So what...it says 'charged AND CONVICTED'...not charged OR convicted.

    By definition, you have to have both to be a criminal.


    Your thought process is ridiculous on this...so everyone that is ever charged with something, even if they are acquitted or the charges are dropped through lack of evidence, is a criminal?

    Again...


    Edward Snowden has not been convicted of anything in a court of law...therefore - by definition - he is NOT a criminal.
    No... that makes him not a convicted criminal. It is the deed that makes you a law breaker, not the public acknowledgement of it.
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    Re: Is Snowden a traitor?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    What other way could he have gone?Give the info to an American media and hope they would report it while fearing that the government might do something to him?
    There would have been that. The nyt did publish that Australian's infos. But the main thing would have been to sort the material so that legitimate spying and data collection was not mixed with information regarding data collection on Americans in the US. Publishing that was inexcusable and has done the country enormous harm.

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    Re: Is Snowden a traitor?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    No... that makes him not a convicted criminal. It is the deed that makes you a law breaker, not the public acknowledgement of it.
    If you read my posted definition you will see that to be a criminal one must be charged AND convicted to meet the definition of a 'criminal'.

    Snowden has not been convicted, therefore - by definition - he is not a criminal.

    If you have a problem with that - please take it up with the dictionary people...they wrote it, not me.
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    Re: Is Snowden a traitor?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    People in the USA are not the only ones who have human rights. Many of us consider it unethical to spy on anyone, even people who aren't USA citizens, without reasonable suspicion and due process.
    Spying and large scale data mining is not only legitimate in the international areana. It would be irresponsible to neglect it.

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