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    Re: Is Snowden a traitor?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    I support Snowden because I don't want our nation to become more like Russia at its worst when everyone was spyed on and all dissent was punished as treason. That is where we have been heading since 9/11.
    Snowden was just supporting Putin and playing propaganda boy. You cannot separate your opinion of the NSA v. a traitor that told us nothing new and harmed our country and empowers Russia.

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    Re: Is Snowden a traitor?

    "The ACLU and others have long suspected that the National Security Agency has gone far beyond its mandate of gathering information for counterterrorism and foreign intelligence purposes, implementing a massive spying system to conduct bulk surveillance of hundreds of millions of innocent Americans. Those suspicions were confirmed when, on June 5, 2013, The Guardian released the first in a series of documents provided by Edward Snowden detailing the NSA's unlawful spying activities. All of the documents released since that day -- both by the media and the government -- are housed in this database. Together, they have triggered a remarkable and long-overdue public debate about the legality and propriety of the government's surveillance practices."
    See the database at https://www.aclu.org/nsa-documents-search

    If the claim that the release of these documents caused harm to citizens of the USA is true, these documents should contain the evidence. Snowden haters are encouraged to provide links to the specific evidence supporting that accusation.

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    Re: Is Snowden a traitor?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    So what? The question isn't whether he broke any laws, the question is whether he had a sufficiently good reason to do it.
    That may be the issue to you, but it isn't to me. If we let people get away with breaking laws because they feel they have a good reason, that is nothing more than anarchy.
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    Re: Is Snowden a traitor?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    I support Snowden because I don't want our nation to become more like Russia at its worst when everyone was spyed on and all dissent was punished as treason. That is where we have been heading since 9/11.
    Yet you support a traitor who fled with his secrets to the country you don't want us to become? Something isn't computing here. I can only assume that those who support this dirtbag don't give a damn how many lives his treason is likely to cause. I suppose it's because they know it won't be their life. It'll be some kid getting blown to bits by an IED.
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    Re: Is Snowden a traitor?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    "The ACLU and others have long suspected that the National Security Agency has gone far beyond its mandate of gathering information for counterterrorism and foreign intelligence purposes, implementing a massive spying system to conduct bulk surveillance of hundreds of millions of innocent Americans. Those suspicions were confirmed when, on June 5, 2013, The Guardian released the first in a series of documents provided by Edward Snowden detailing the NSA's unlawful spying activities. All of the documents released since that day -- both by the media and the government -- are housed in this database. Together, they have triggered a remarkable and long-overdue public debate about the legality and propriety of the government's surveillance practices."
    See the database at https://www.aclu.org/nsa-documents-search

    If the claim that the release of these documents caused harm to citizens of the USA is true, these documents should contain the evidence. Snowden haters are encouraged to provide links to the specific evidence supporting that accusation.
    Well, anything that the Guardian (Pravda West) or the ACLU claims must be the truth. The documents that will cause harm to Americans are currently in the possession of the KGB, where they will undoubtedly make good use of them. You don't honestly think the KGB would give any of those to the ACLU or the Guardian, do you? If you do, your naivete is at a level beyond my understanding.

    Here's one of many links:

    Rep. Mike Rogers: Snowden Put Military 'At Risk'

    17 million documents. Do you suppose the Guardian got them all?

    Of course the ACLU denies the assertion. Given a choice between relying on the ACLU or the Armed Forces of the United States for my protection, I'll take the latter.
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    Re: Is Snowden a traitor?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    Yet you support a traitor who fled with his secrets to the country you don't want us to become? Something isn't computing here. I can only assume that those who support this dirtbag don't give a damn how many lives his treason is likely to cause. I suppose it's because they know it won't be their life. It'll be some kid getting blown to bits by an IED.

    everything about you is emotional, and your attack on other people is your usual, its clear you are more concerned with secrets government has, then you are if the constitution has been violated by the very same government.

    i am waiting for your nazi attack....

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    Re: Is Snowden a traitor?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    That may be the issue to you, but it isn't to me. If we let people get away with breaking laws because they feel they have a good reason, that is nothing more than anarchy.
    Even in the context of whistle-blowing - of exposing injustices committed by one's own government? Journalism should have a special protection which exists outside normal realms. Otherwise, all you have is a propaganda machine.

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    Re: Is Snowden a traitor?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    Yet you support a traitor who fled with his secrets to the country you don't want us to become? Something isn't computing here. I can only assume that those who support this dirtbag don't give a damn how many lives his treason is likely to cause. I suppose it's because they know it won't be their life. It'll be some kid getting blown to bits by an IED.
    I support journalist integrity and the ability of journalists to expose injustices without being imprisoned for life.

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    Re: Is Snowden a traitor?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    That may be the issue to you, but it isn't to me. If we let people get away with breaking laws because they feel they have a good reason, that is nothing more than anarchy.
    If people blindly follow the government, that is nothing more than fascism.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    Condemning Snowden requires holding these beliefs:

    • Allowing our government to obtain and use the ability to spy on virtually anyone, anywhere at anytime benefits us citizens.
    • We can trust the government to use their top secret programs only for our protection.
    • We can trust the government to harm other people only when there is a known threat to our safety and there is no viable alternative.
    • The interests of the politicians, bureaucrats, military personnel, contractors and vendors that control our intelligence and security apparatus are exactly the same as the public's interests.
    • The USA should have the ability to control the political decisions made by every other nation.
    ^ People do trust in that. Naive.
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    Re: Is Snowden a traitor?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    That may be the issue to you, but it isn't to me. If we let people get away with breaking laws because they feel they have a good reason, that is nothing more than anarchy.
    Exposing government corruption on a global level trumps any man made law.
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