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Thread: Is Snowden a traitor?

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    Re: Is Snowden a traitor?

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    The damage done was not necessary and has harmed the country substantially. Had he published only such information for instance, that showed breeches of US citizens rights and broke US law, it would have still been doubtful, but it could have been argued that it was justified. As it stands, he has committed a crime that must be so harshly punished that nobody does it again. .
    Where is the harm? Where is the evidence that he released anything that wasn't evidence of wrong doing?

    "I carefully evaluated every single document I disclosed to ensure that each was legitimately in the public interest. There are all sorts of documents that would have made a big impact that I didn't turn over, because harming people isn't my goal. Transparency is."
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    Re: Is Snowden a traitor?

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    ......Selective application of the law is one of the worst things a society can have happen.
    "The fact that a person acted pursuant to order of his Government or of a superior does not relieve him from responsibility under international law, provided a moral choice was in fact possible to him". Nuremberg Principals

    "This principle could be paraphrased as follows: "It is not an acceptable excuse to say 'I was just following my superior's orders'".

    Previous to the time of the Nuremberg Trials, this excuse was known in common parlance as "Superior Orders". After the prominent, high profile event of the Nuremberg Trials, that excuse is now referred to by many as "Nuremberg Defense". In recent times, a third term, "lawful orders" has become common parlance for some people. All three terms are in use today, and they all have slightly different nuances of meaning, depending on the context in which they are used.

    Nuremberg Principle IV is legally supported by the jurisprudence found in certain articles in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights which deal indirectly with conscientious objection. It is also supported by the principles found in paragraph 171 of the Handbook on Procedures and Criteria for Determining Refugee Status which was issued by the Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR). Those principles deal with the conditions under which conscientious objectors can apply for refugee status in another country if they face persecution in their own country for refusing to participate in an illegal war."
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    Re: Is Snowden a traitor?

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    Why do you avoid the actual problematic behind this issue polemics and not listen to what is actually written? It also seems that you refuse to differentiate between the implications of the various crimes committed. It is not the same crime to publish information on legitimate international spy activity and method as that of infringement on citizens' rights domestically. Had he stuck to the latter, the questions would be quite different and the discussion of legitimacy of his actions would be less absurd.
    People in the USA are not the only ones who have human rights. Many of us consider it unethical to spy on anyone, even people who aren't USA citizens, without reasonable suspicion and due process.

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    Re: Is Snowden a traitor?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lovebug View Post
    Not to mention the fact that, since he so treasures our rights, why then run to where they have very little regard for rights?
    When you're running away from people out to kill you or out to throw you in prison for the rest of your life you don't really much care if where you end up is a place that has much regard for rights or not. At that point, all you're after is protection from those individuals out to do you harm.

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    Re: Is Snowden a traitor?

    It's one thing to release domestic information to prove a point. It's another to release our overseas intel and put many Americans in danger. He's a traitor. I wouldn't have a problem with him as long as he only released domestic stuff.
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    Re: Is Snowden a traitor?

    Traitor or not, I can only hope that were I in his position, I would have the courage to stick to my principles.
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    Re: Is Snowden a traitor?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    No, what is sad is that there are people who hate their own country so much that they consider a man who gave critical military secrets to one of the most repressive regimes in the world - and a regime that still has thousands of nuclear weapons targeted at this country a hero. That's what's sad.
    The foundation of the nation that we love is the constitution and our freedom, not the bureaucrats, politicians, generals, contractors and vendors who run our surveillance and security establishment.

    There is no evidence he gave anything to the Russians.

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    Re: Is Snowden a traitor?

    Quote Originally Posted by Robbie Loucks View Post
    It's one thing to release domestic information to prove a point. It's another to release our overseas intel and put many Americans in danger. He's a traitor. I wouldn't have a problem with him as long as he only released domestic stuff.
    What Americans were put in danger? Can you list them?
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    Re: Is Snowden a traitor?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    ...The US Government is a corrupt organization? If you feel that way, then move. Russia sounds like just your cup of tea.
    I support Snowden because I don't want our nation to become more like Russia at its worst when everyone was spyed on and all dissent was punished as treason. That is where we have been heading since 9/11.

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    Re: Is Snowden a traitor?

    The idea that Snowden is to be lauded as a hero for exposing a twelve year old government program is itself a lack of logic. There is little doubt terrorists and foreign governments are well-aware, as all Americans should be, that for twelve years the intelligence services monitor communications, but it does not excuse the blatant criminality of stealing and handing off classified information.

    The fact he now jokes on talk shows with Putin about spying and was in contact with Russia before he left the US?!

    Get a grip people. He harmed and did not help anyone in our country or give us any new contextual data. Regardless of how one feels about the NSA ... Snowden is a cowardly traitor.

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