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    Re: Is Snowden a traitor?

    Is Snowden a traitor....probably not.


    Is he a prick, bastard worthy of disdain......definitely.

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    Re: Is Snowden a traitor?

    Quote Originally Posted by Alyssa View Post
    yes, yes.. the US is a victim now.. PAHleeez. It's about time the US government is exposed for the corrupt organization it really is. And make no mistake, secrets/intrigue destroy free societies. How can government officials be held accountable if no one knows what is going on? They cannot. But they freely lie to the public knowing that nothing will come of it, and the corruption continues. If someone does have the gonads to speak up, they are discredited as a traitor, and people conveniently ignore blatant constitutional violations. Security or liberty- pick one. Because you cannot have both.
    First, citizens shouldn't know everything their government does, period.

    Second, you seem to conveniently ignore that he's given US secrets regarding overseas operations to foreign governments. Why?
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    Re: Is Snowden a traitor?

    Informing the American people of the wrongdoings of its government is only "giving aid and comfort to the enemy" if the American people are the enemy of the nation. That is a terrible precedent to set. Citing the fact that we have widespread communications as reason to never reveal the government's wrongdoing sets another terrible precedent. The government must be responsible to the people, not the other way around, and that will not happen if it can keep secrets with impunity.

    If this whole situation proves anything, it is that there much be a mechanism to oversee the government's claims of national security and classification of information. Someone outside the intelligence community must balance the interests of the people and of keeping the intelligence community in check over that community's interests. A system must be put in place so that the government cannot simply invoke security and privilege at will and so actions like Snowden's won't be necessary. Without that system, this is what we'll get.
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    Re: Is Snowden a traitor?

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    First, citizens shouldn't know everything their government does, period.

    Second, you seem to conveniently ignore that he's given US secrets regarding overseas operations to foreign governments. Why?
    There is little the public shouldn't know about its government. I don't ignore that Snowden leaked information regarding US operations overseas. However, I do not support every US operation overseas. Piracy is what it amounts to.. Americans stealing everyone else's resources in the name of preserving liberty. Of course, Russia may invade another country. But Russia does it in the open. That's the difference.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    Yeah, but it isn't your blood, is it? Thanks to the traitor Snowden, it's likely to be some 19 year old kid from Kansas who's blood gets shed. I think you'd be far happier with a leader like Putin and an Oligarchy like Russia.

    I love hypocrites who complain about their country and their government yet have no problem availing themselves of the opportunities provided by such a terrible country and government.
    You assume. That's all. You have no idea what my life experiences have been. But this isn't about me. It would be great if you could keep that in mind.

    btw, Jefferson is quoted as saying, "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." The force that keeps its government in check is a free society. People have to be informed for a democracy/republic to function. As I said, there are far too many secrets and special interests within this government.
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    Re: Is Snowden a traitor?

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    First, citizens shouldn't know everything their government does, period.

    Second, you seem to conveniently ignore that he's given US secrets regarding overseas operations to foreign governments. Why?
    Not to mention the fact that, since he so treasures our rights, why then run to where they have very little regard for rights?

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    Re: Is Snowden a traitor?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    Is it the
    Supreme Law of the Land in Russia?
    Of course not.It is however of the US.

    Because that's where Snowden and all of his secrets decided to go to.
    He went there because other countries would have extradited him and had might to stand up to the US should the US try to use intimidation to coerce extradition.

    I'm glad you're comfortable with Putin and the Russian Oligarchs having access to all of our military secrets. I'm not.
    I am glad you are comfortable with our government spying on Americans. I am not. According to government officials Snowden gave them secrets. the same government that lied to us and said they were not spying on us.The government lacks any credibility what so ever.The idea that you would expect anyone to believe a word they say is laughable.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Is Snowden a traitor?

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    He did horrendous damage to the USA that has increased the costs of doing business and the effectiveness of American policy. It was unnecessary, as the man could have gone another way.
    What other way could he have gone?Give the info to an American media and hope they would report it while fearing that the government might do something to him?
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Is Snowden a traitor?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    That's right it does.
    Many elected officials make a similar oath.
    I can't help but notice you didn't answer the question.
    I notice you did not answer my question that you quoted.

    "What about those wiping their ass with the Constitution? Aren't they the traitorous douchbags?"


    Why did your little "hero" feel the need to put your brothers lives in danger? What provision of the Constitution protects the Taliban from SIGINT collection?
    Spies are not my brothers.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

    Cicero Marcus Tullius

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    Re: Is Snowden a traitor?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Why should someone be punished for doing the right thing? He would probably be in prison or worse right now if he stayed in the US.
    He would have been treated like Manning, or worse, including being held in solitary confinement (which is a form of torture) for years before even going to trial.

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    Re: Is Snowden a traitor?

    Whistle-blowers need to have some form of protection. It doesn't help that the United States constantly threatened to punish Snowden to the fullest extent of the law, even after Snowden said that he would come back to United States (while he was on the run) on the condition that he was provided clemency. If he came back to the United States, he would have faced life imprisonment. I don't condone him going to Russia, but keep in mind that Russia was not on his shortlist of places to seek asylum.

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