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    Re: Is Snowden a traitor?

    Most of his leaks impacted foreign nations or our countries gathering of information on foreign nations including many that want to do us harm. What was his point in such damage while fleeing to China and Russia?

    He could have gone to careful planned journalist with a few domestic leaks to make a point and then have the courage to stand for his beliefs. He was ruthless and careless and did not have the knowledge to know what he was leaking about foreign nations and it harmed his fellow citizens.

    Then he is in contact with Russia before he runs to China and is now on joking terms with Putin, Yeaaa right ... refuge and smirky joking with Putin?

    He is a traitor in my opinion.

    We have 'conclusive evidence' that Edward Snowden leaks hurt UK national security, say spy chiefs | Mail Online

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    Re: Is Snowden a traitor?

    Oh ... here is just an interesting opinion piece on the founders and the NSA and Snowden.

    What would George Washington do to NSA leaker Edward Snowden? | Fox News

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    Re: Is Snowden a traitor?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    You don't have to be allies to trade. But China, Iran, and North Korea area all excellent intelligence targets.



    WTF - I linked to you an aggregate of Snowden's own document releases giving up programs which had nothing to do with the American metadata program.



    That is simply bluntly incorrect. We have information we don't share with them, and they have information they don't share with us; each IC is responsible to informing it's own decision-makers to the best of it's ability on all targets. We have five eyes, but beyond that, it's pretty much a bi-lat to open season.

    And, again, you continue to ignore that China, Iran, North Korea, the Taliban, Russia, et al are not our allies. You have no good reason for Snowden to expose our collection efforts against them.



    Dude. It's a big deal. It's a non event sort of in the way that the 9/11 attacks were non terrorist attacks.



    that you would attempt to make that juxtaposition indicates you have little idea what you are talking about.
    Well, I was in the middle, thanks for helping me move towards the defense of his actions against an arrogant and oppressive government agency. They broke Constitutional law when they spied on everyone without authorization, and any reporting of it seems patriotic now. Again, appreciate your help in deciding my defense was misguided of an erroneous espionage law. I guess that was your goal?
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    Re: Is Snowden a traitor?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Yeah, that's why he had to run to Russia like a total bitch. If he was truly standing on principal he's come back and face his charges.
    He had to go into hiding unless he wanted to end up dead. And eventually, they will get to him. It's a matter of time.
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    Re: Is Snowden a traitor?

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    So answer the question. What would you consider damage? The fact that the trade negotiations have become more difficult and will most likely be more costly to americans? Or the fact that information from allies is less freely available because they no longer think the USA able to keep it confidential? There are lots of this type of damages and I must admit that I can no really believe anyone interested in international relations could not be aware of this. This is so much the case that I suspect such demands of "proof" are usually made knowing how much work it is to collect the evidence combined with no interest in results that contradict the ingrained belief.

    Touché!

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    Re: Is Snowden a traitor?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Zero to Godwin in 40 posts.

    And what if it's actually applicable in this situation, does your Godwin still win because it's your only defense?
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    Re: Is Snowden a traitor?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    If those security secrets violate the Constitution then no, the Constitution is the supreme law of the land.
    Is it the
    Supreme Law of the Land in Russia? Because that's where Snowden and all of his secrets decided to go to. I'm glad you're comfortable with Putin and the Russian Oligarchs having access to all of our military secrets. I'm not.
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    Re: Is Snowden a traitor?

    Quote Originally Posted by Alyssa View Post
    He had to go into hiding unless he wanted to end up dead. And eventually, they will get to him. It's a matter of time.
    Well, it's good that he fled to the Democratic Paradise that is Russia. I'm sure they have no interest in the military secrets he has willingly provided to them. I hope you are right - at some point in time somebody does get him. Hell, the Russians may arrange an unfortunate accident from him once they've gotten every shred of information they can.
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    Re: Is Snowden a traitor?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    Is it the
    Supreme Law of the Land in Russia? Because that's where Snowden and all of his secrets decided to go to. I'm glad you're comfortable with Putin and the Russian Oligarchs having access to all of our military secrets. I'm not.
    Snowden recently played puppet for Putin by going along that Putin only spies on terrorists. Snowden has not shown to be a patriot or admirable or anything but a careless coward who harmed his own country while empowering our enemies.

    That is not stamping approval on all of the NSA yet that does not justify ANY of Snowden's actions.

    The founders would have shot him.

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    Re: Is Snowden a traitor?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Unlike you I won't heronize those who wiped their fecal covered asses with the Constitution under the guise of security.
    ^^

    People are making this about blind patriotism. Such arguments are boring and lacking. Also, no one seems to care that there is undeniable proof that the US government is continually violating the constitution. Sad, really.
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