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Is Cliven Bundy a Racist?

Is Cliven Bundy a Racist?


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Cliven Bundy is the Nevada cattle rancher who is refusing to pay the Federal government grazing fees and owes approximately $1.1 million.

The possible choices in this poll are:

Yes
No
I think so
I don't think so
I don't know.
Other
 
Cliven Bundy is the Nevada cattle rancher who is refusing to pay the Federal government grazing fees and owes approximately $1.1 million.

The possible choices in this poll are:

Yes
No
I think so
I don't think so
I don't know.
Other

I guess I'd have to answer, "I don't know." But one thing I do know for sure . . . he's a bloomin' idiot.
 
Only liberals are racist. I guess.
 
He may well be but he certainly is an idiot. ;)

NOTE: Your poll would make more sense if you supplied some source for us to help make a determination on.
 
Cliven Bundy is the Nevada cattle rancher who is refusing to pay the Federal government grazing fees and owes approximately $1.1 million.

The possible choices in this poll are:

Yes
No
I think so
I don't think so
I don't know.
Other

The term racist is tossed about so casually anymore, it's losing meaning. Where I grew up- a real racist was defined by the sheet they wore or how they actually discriminated in an underhanded fashion, not just a bunch of ignorant talk. Slurs and speech bigotry does not rise to the level of racism I acknowledge, it's the actions taken.
 
The term racist is tossed about so casually anymore, it's losing meaning. Where I grew up- a real racist was defined by the sheet they wore or how they actually discriminated in an underhanded fashion, not just a bunch of ignorant talk. Slurs and speech bigotry does not rise to the level of racism I acknowledge, it's the actions taken.

I have an issue also with how "racist" and "racism" have been over applied to the point that the word has lost it's true meaning...

Here's something I put together a few years back that I post every once in a while:

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Racist do discriminate in underhanded manners. You think old Clive would hire a Mexican mowing crew to mow his lawn (if grass grew there) or my crew, white boys from the hood? Actually I ask that for a reason. I used to run a mowing landscaping buisness. To buisness/corp I never could underbid the big guys because their crews worked very cheaply and the buisness only looked at the bid. I got more residental than I could do.
The term racist is tossed about so casually anymore, it's losing meaning. Where I grew up- a real racist was defined by the sheet they wore or how they actually discriminated in an underhanded fashion, not just a bunch of ignorant talk. Slurs and speech bigotry does not rise to the level of racism I acknowledge, it's the actions taken.
 
He may well be but he certainly is an idiot. ;)

NOTE: Your poll would make more sense if you supplied some source for us to help make a determination on.

Alex Jones calls him and defends himself.

 
I have an issue also with how "racist" and "racism" have been over applied to the point that the word has lost it's true meaning...

Here's something I put together a few years back that I post every once in a while:

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People *think* they want double standards and speech/thought control but that leads to anarchy. Tolerance is a two way street and if you're going to label someone, let it be for their deeds and actions. Now someone preaching hate speech, that leads to actions is also as bad or a real racist. But sharing your personal views and opinions, regardless of how unappealing or distasteful is not the standard.
 
I have an issue also with how "racist" and "racism" have been over applied to the point that the word has lost it's true meaning...

Here's something I put together a few years back that I post every once in a while:

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According to your cheat sheet trayvon martin was a racist.
 
Racist do discriminate in underhanded manners. You think old Clive would hire a Mexican mowing crew to mow his lawn (if grass grew there) or my crew, white boys from the hood? Actually I ask that for a reason. I used to run a mowing landscaping buisness. To buisness/corp I never could underbid the big guys because their crews worked very cheaply and the buisness only looked at the bid. I got more residental than I could do.

You'd have to prove he discriminated against Mexicans or any other gender, race etc. You lower those standards too much and you take away a lot of freedoms.

I worked in a field where the males were lazy, arrogant and stole consistently. I became sexist in hiring because of the sheer numbers of male failures, though I still needed some in certain technical-licensing areas. I'd never have spoke about it but it was a reality.

In the interviewing phase, I became able to almost automatically spot a trouble causing employee from their responses.
 
Racist do discriminate in underhanded manners. You think old Clive would hire a Mexican mowing crew to mow his lawn (if grass grew there) or my crew, white boys from the hood? Actually I ask that for a reason. I used to run a mowing landscaping buisness. To buisness/corp I never could underbid the big guys because their crews worked very cheaply and the buisness only looked at the bid. I got more residental than I could do.

You have not watched that video yet have you? LMAO.... Keep talking LOL.

Where he said he has worked next to mexican people and they are hard working people, telling you the NYT really butchered his statements!
He had nothing but praise for mexican people. No matter what a white person says about blacks less then "blacks are the greatest people on earth and should be Gods." you are considered racist.
 
I cant see it at work, but it better be good. I cant imagine how he redeemed his statements.
You have not watched that video yet have you? LMAO.... Keep talking LOL.

Where he said he has worked next to mexican people and they are hard working people, telling you the NYT really butchered his statements!
He had nothing but praise for mexican people. No matter what a white person says about blacks less then "blacks are the greatest people on earth and should be Gods." you are considered racist.
 
I cant see it at work, but it better be good. I cant imagine how he redeemed his statements.

When you hear the rest you will understand why he said what he said, they totally twisted the context.
Remember how they edited Zimmermans phone call to sound racist? same deal here
 
I have an issue also with how "racist" and "racism" have been over applied to the point that the word has lost it's true meaning...

I agree.

I think far too many people include this in the calculation:

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I think using a racial slur can be an indication of racism, but I don't think it's necessarily indicative of racism.

I will occasionally use a racial slur as a form of profanity (I guess you'd call it) in anger.

When I use it I am directing it at a specific individual for a specific purpose.

It is a demonstration of anger, and nothing absolutely more.

Whether or not an observer would consider that an acceptable non-racist "explanation" for my use of a racial slur is pretty subjective.

True racism isn't subjective at all.
 
Cliven Bundy is the Nevada cattle rancher who is refusing to pay the Federal government grazing fees and owes approximately $1.1 million.

The possible choices in this poll are:

Yes
No
I think so
I don't think so
I don't know.
Other

He does not owe that money and here is why! Should research and not just parrot the Lame Stream Medias lies! Here is the real complaint filed in court and what it means!!

The BLM, Cliven Bundy and Harry Reid | Investment Research Dynamics

I enlisted my attorney colleague. Here’s the short explanation: “The transaction here was trespass. The feds litigated that and could have obtained damages, but didn’t ask for them. Now it’s too late. The fed’s failure to plead correctly will operate as a waiver.”

My colleague dug up the original complaint, which you can read here: U.S. v. Cliven Bundy

Here’s his explanation as to why the only right the Government had was to remove the cattle from grazing on the BLM land:

Now I now believe, having read the complaint, that the BLM doesn’t have—and never had—the right to collect grazing fees, which were voluntary: in exchange for paying fees, cattlemen received a grazing permit. See para. 21.

When Bundy refused to apply for a permit in 1993, his cattle became trespassing chattels. That means the BLM’s only remedy against Bundy was an action for trespass. The BLM exercised that right by filing a 2-count suit in court, one count for trespass and another for a judicial declaration that Bundy’s cattle are trespassing in violation of law.

But a trespass action has never—not in 800 years of property jurisprudence—included any remedy that would grant a plaintiff any rights of dominion over the trespasser. There are but two remedies available to a plaintiff complaining of trespass. One is damages, the legal remedy. The other is an injunction, an equitable remedy. The BLM was only awarded the latter; it never even sought damages in its complaint

There was never any colorable legal justification for selling the cattle. The only cause of action available to the BLM was at all times since 1993 a trespass action, which did not, does not, and cannot transfer title.

Moreover, the fact that Bundy refused to pay the grazing fees does not mean that he owes back fees. He most certainly does not. Rather, it means that he voluntarily elected to became (via his cattle) a trespasser. The BLM filed suit for exactly this reason.

Interestingly, the BLM’s complaint does not seek any monetary damages. Thus, not only does Bundy not owe the BLM any money for the unpaid fees, Bundy doesn’t owe any damages to the BLM because the BLM simply failed to ask for any damages.

In short, the BLM’s act of attempting to sell the cattle, by entering into a $1 million contract for that purpose with a party in Utah, was a willful and wanton criminal act, as there was never any legal avenue that would have granted the BLM that right. The BLM and its lawyers had to have known that they were committing serious felonies.

What happens from here is anyone’s guess. In the current posture of this case, Bundy must keep his cattle off of federal land (Gold Butte, etc.). But he doesn’t owe the BLM and money and the cattle are still his and always were.

It is crystal clear once we learn the real facts of the BLM/Bundy dispute that the Government was NOT motivated to go after Bundy on behalf of the Taxpayer for unpaid cattle grazing fees. It also tells us that the only reason the BLM went after Bundy was to remove his cattle from BLM land, something for which I’m sure the average Taxpayer could care less. It stands to reason, therefore, that the sole motivation of the BLM actions against Bundy were taken on behalf of Harry Reid and his political and monetary interests.


SO you saying he owes any money is a blatant lie!
 
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Cliven Bundy is the Nevada cattle rancher who is refusing to pay the Federal government grazing fees and owes approximately $1.1 million. The possible choices in this poll are: Yes No I think so I don't think so I don't know. Other
Let's just say he's a white, rich dramaqueen mooching off taxpayers with strong racist overtones.
 
Cliven Bundy is the Nevada cattle rancher who is refusing to pay the Federal government grazing fees and owes approximately $1.1 million.

The possible choices in this poll are:

Yes
No
I think so
I don't think so
I don't know.
Other

Does Bundy saying that black people were better off under slavery make him a racist? Gosh, I dunno. That's a tough one. Give me a few days to mull that one over.
 
He may well be but he certainly is an idiot. ;)

NOTE: Your poll would make more sense if you supplied some source for us to help make a determination on.
Looks like that vid may have been edited. Sooo, I don't really care what he "thinks" because that is not the issue.
 
Looks like that vid may have been edited. Sooo, I don't really care what he "thinks" because that is not the issue.

The issue is that he's been a welfare queen 20 years and he thinks he's entitled to continue to do so. That he's a dumbass racist is just more interesting.
 
Looks like that vid may have been edited. Sooo, I don't really care what he "thinks" because that is not the issue.

The issue, in this thread, is whether or not Cliven Bundy is a racist. One that feels that the constitution/founding fathers treated blacks as equals is clearly a moron and probably a racist.
 
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One that feels that the constitution/founding fathers treated blacks as equals is clearly a moron and probably a racist.

That goes back to his unstated premise: blacks are naturally slaves.
 
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