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    Re: Is Cliven Bundy a Racist?

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    The issue, in this thread, is whether or not Cliven Bundy is a racist. One that feels that the constitution/founding fathers treated blacks as equals is clearly a moron and probably a racist.
    So if he IS a racist, its ok for the G to come and levy whatever fine and screw him over. Got it.

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    Re: Is Cliven Bundy a Racist?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    That goes back to his unstated premise: blacks are naturally slaves.
    Yea, not what he said at all.

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    Re: Is Cliven Bundy a Racist?

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    So if he IS a racist, its ok for the G to come and levy whatever fine and screw him over. Got it.
    That is nonsense. What did I ever say to indicate that was my stance? My point, that you seem totally unable to grasp, is that this thread is about Cliven Bundy's comments about racial matters - not his troubles with BLM.
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    Re: Is Cliven Bundy a Racist?

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Yea, not what he said at all.
    It's the premise of his position. I've heard it before. Blacks were better off when we allowed them to be slaves on plantations than when we allow them to be slaves on welfare.

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    Re: Is Cliven Bundy a Racist?

    I don't know if he is racist so much as a product of his era and as such ignorant. Being ignorant does not make one a racist, just makes you ignorant.

    However if he is not ignorant and is fully aware then yes, racist.
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    Re: Is Cliven Bundy a Racist?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    I don't know if he is racist so much as a product of his era and as such ignorant. Being ignorant does not make one a racist, just makes you ignorant.

    However if he is not ignorant and is fully aware then yes, racist.
    There is also the distinct possibility that he is both ignorant and racist - they are not mutually exclusive traits.
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    Re: Is Cliven Bundy a Racist?

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    There is also the distinct possibility that he is both ignorant and racist - they are not mutually exclusive traits.
    True. Whether that is the case here or not I can't really say. Not enough to go on to decide definitively.
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    Re: Is Cliven Bundy a Racist?

    Here's the thing ... what he said was stupid by itself so the NYT reporting didn't have to edit it like they did.
    And if Bundy had any sense & better awareness he could have made a valid point without wrapping all that other crap around it.
    Here's a more complete text of his statement. ...

    ... and so what I've testified to you -- I was in the Watts riot, I seen the beginning fire and I seen that last fire. What I seen is civil disturbance. People are not happy, people are thinking they don't have their freedoms, they didn't have these things, and they didn't have them.

    We've progressed quite a bit from that day until now, and we sure don't want to go back. We sure don't want the colored people to go back to that point. We sure don't want these Mexican people to go back to that point. And we can make a difference right now by taking care of some of these bureaucracies, and do it in a peaceful way.

    Let me tell, talk to you about the Mexicans, and these are just things I know about the negroes. I want to tell you one more thing I know about the negro. When I go, went, go to Las Vegas, North Las Vegas, and I would see these little government houses, and in front of that government house the door was usually open and the older people and the kids -- and there's always at least a half a dozen people sitting on the porch. They didn’t have nothing to do. They didn’t have nothing for their kids to do. They didn’t have nothing for their young girls to do.

    And because they were basically on government subsidy -- so now what do they do? They abort their young children, they put their young men in jail, because they never, they never learned how to pick cotton. And I’ve often wondered are they were better off as slaves, picking cotton and having a family life and doing things? Or are they better off under government subsidy?

    You know they didn’t get more freedom, they got less freedom -- they got less family life, and their happiness -- you could see it in their faces -- they wasn't happy sitting on that concrete sidewalk. Down there they was probably growing their turnips -- so that’s all government, that’s not freedom.

    Now, let me talk about the Spanish people. You know, I understand that they come over here against our Constitution and cross our borders. But they’re here and they’re people -- and I’ve worked
    side by side a lot of them.

    Don’t tell me they don’t work, and don’t tell me they don’t pay taxes. And don’t tell me they don’t have better family structures than most of us white people. When you see those Mexican families, they’re together, they picnic together, they’re spending their time together, and I’ll tell you in my way of thinking they’re awful nice people. And we need to have those people join us and be with us not, not come to our party.

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    Re: Is Cliven Bundy a Racist?

    Quote Originally Posted by bubbabgone View Post
    *snip for brevity*
    Useful.

    I heard some audio but had not seen a transcript.
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    Re: Is Cliven Bundy a Racist?

    I am in no way shape or form defending Bundy here....


    But for all those who voted yes..... How can you prove that he believes that the "negro" is inferior to another race, or that his race is superior to all other races based upon this statement????



    Because..... isn't that the standard response every time a black person makes a racially charged statement???
    "I condemn the ideology of White Supremacy and Nazism. They are thugs, criminals, and repugnant, and are against what I believe to be "The American Way" "
    Thus my obligatory condemnation of White supremacy will now be in every post, lest I be accused of supporting it because I didn't mention it specifically every time I post.

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