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    Re: Is Cliven Bundy a Racist?

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    What a white male thing to say.
    Actually, it's a sensible thing to say. Call everyone a racist and the real ones get a free pass and freedom of speech for everyone else will get suppressed. I don't want to live in an environment where the word police runs around with angry faces, pointing fingers like morons.
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    Re: Is Cliven Bundy a Racist?

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    The only problem is, he didn't say quite that. He compared it to being on welfare.

    His statement was a little ridiculous given that both options are horrible, but he didn't say they were better off as slaves.
    But he did say that he sometimes wonders if they might be better off during slavery. Specifically mentioning family.

    Or words to that effect.

    Which, given that many slave owners could and did outright split up families for profit, is idiotic.
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    Re: Is Cliven Bundy a Racist?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    He said he wondered if they were "better off as slaves, picking cotton and having a family life and doing things." So he either believes that being forced to be the property of a slave owner who can be beaten, raped, bought, sold and killed if they attempt to escape is superior, or he doesn't know what slavery actually is.
    His exact quote:

    And I’ve often wondered, are they better off as slaves, picking cotton and having a family life and doing things, or are they better off under government subsidy? They didn’t get no more freedom. They got less freedom.”



    When you include what's after the comma that you left off, you will see what I meant. He made a comparison, as I said, not a statement without a comparison.

    I'm sure he knows what happened to slaves as we all do. But that wasn't the point of his comment when you read what he said. He wasn't saying the government is raping or beating them less. He's saying that both are evil, and in his mind, what the government has done to people who rely on it to survive may be worse. It's not a thought process I agree with, but I certainly understand why he said it. And it doesn't make him the boogieman I know people on the far left want him to be.

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    Re: Is Cliven Bundy a Racist?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
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    11Bravo and Airborne, actually. And a Marine sniper.

    Insulting people you don't even know, how lame and narrow-minded. You know, in recent months you've started acting like a snotty petulant spoiled-brat teenage troll, and the respect I once had for you, and the regard I used to give to your posts, has eroded a great deal.... to the point that I'm rapidly losing interest in talking to you or reading your posts at all.


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    Re: Is Cliven Bundy a Racist?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    11Bravo and Airborne, actually. And a Marine sniper.

    Insulting people you don't even know, how lame and narrow-minded. You know, in recent months you've started acting like a snotty petulant spoiled-brat teenage troll, and the respect I once had for you, and the regard I used to give to your posts, has eroded a great deal.... to the point that I'm rapidly losing interest in talking to you or reading your posts at all.


    Yes, I know that was over the line. Don't bother, I'm reporting myself right now... and it was well worth it.


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    Re: Is Cliven Bundy a Racist?

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    His exact quote:

    And I’ve often wondered, are they better off as slaves, picking cotton and having a family life and doing things, or are they better off under government subsidy? They didn’t get no more freedom. They got less freedom.”



    When you include what's after the comma that you left off, you will see what I meant. He made a comparison, as I said, not a statement without a comparison.
    The full context did not help him. It only compounds his ignorance. Under current law black people are allowed to move, sell their homes, marry whom they want, leave their state, etc. These freedoms did not exist for black slaves.

    I'm sure he knows what happened to slaves as we all do.
    The truly frightening thing is if this were true.

    But that wasn't the point of his comment when you read what he said. He wasn't saying the government is raping or beating them less. He's saying that both are evil, and in his mind, what the government has done to people who rely on it to survive may be worse. It's not a thought process I agree with, but I certainly understand why he said it. And it doesn't make him the boogieman I know people on the far left want him to be.
    Relying on government subsidies for your living is sad, but it's a thousand miles from slavery.

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    Re: Is Cliven Bundy a Racist?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    The full context did not help him. It only compounds his ignorance. Under current law black people are allowed to move, sell their homes, marry whom they want, leave their state, etc. These freedoms did not exist for black slaves.



    The truly frightening thing is if this were true.



    Relying on government subsidies for your living is sad, but it's a thousand miles from slavery.
    You don't need to give me a history lesson on slave life. I already know about it.

    You have your opinion on what's a thousand miles away, and he has his. Is he right? No. But I know where he was going with it, I know what generation he's from, and I know the far left want to paint this guy as the next Atilla the Hun - and the attacks on Hannity and "the right" are just a bonus to everyone. This whole thing has taken a life of its own. He's an old man and probably suffering from some form of dementia. His words were not a big deal, unless someone can provide some evidence that he actually did some damage to blacks in any way. I haven't seen a shred of that.

    Wow, words. BFD. I can say I think Mormon women may be better off as hookers than married at the age of 8 to some old pervert. Does that make me prejudiced against Mormon women? Nope. Neither option in my statement is a good one, but nobody gets hurt by me saying it, do they?

    People say stupid things all the time. Words aren't as powerful as actions and they aren't a punishable offense usually. If they were, our jails would be full of politicians, movie stars, and every private citizen who ever said anything dumb in his/her life.

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    Re: Is Cliven Bundy a Racist?

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Cliven Bundy is the Nevada cattle rancher who is refusing to pay the Federal government grazing fees and owes approximately $1.1 million.

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    If you were to ask most racists if they are racist, they'll tell you "NO!" When I was a racist, I certainly believed I wasn't racist...and the same went for my racist family.

    Thing is, most racists are what I call "good racists"...meaning that they will risk their lives to save that black person (or whatever race(s) it is they don't like) in a heartbeat...but as soon as that black person is out of earshot, out come all the old assumptions and racist judgements.

    In other words, most racists honestly don't realize that they are racist.
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    Re: Is Cliven Bundy a Racist?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Yes, I know that was over the line. Don't bother, I'm reporting myself right now... and it was well worth it.
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    Re: Is Cliven Bundy a Racist?

    Other. Who cares? That has nothing whatsoever to do with his case.
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