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    Re: Is Cliven Bundy a Racist?

    Quote Originally Posted by Grim17 View Post
    I have an issue also with how "racist" and "racism" have been over applied to the point that the word has lost it's true meaning...

    Here's something I put together a few years back that I post every once in a while:

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    According to your cheat sheet trayvon martin was a racist.

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    Re: Is Cliven Bundy a Racist?

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    Racist do discriminate in underhanded manners. You think old Clive would hire a Mexican mowing crew to mow his lawn (if grass grew there) or my crew, white boys from the hood? Actually I ask that for a reason. I used to run a mowing landscaping buisness. To buisness/corp I never could underbid the big guys because their crews worked very cheaply and the buisness only looked at the bid. I got more residental than I could do.
    You'd have to prove he discriminated against Mexicans or any other gender, race etc. You lower those standards too much and you take away a lot of freedoms.

    I worked in a field where the males were lazy, arrogant and stole consistently. I became sexist in hiring because of the sheer numbers of male failures, though I still needed some in certain technical-licensing areas. I'd never have spoke about it but it was a reality.

    In the interviewing phase, I became able to almost automatically spot a trouble causing employee from their responses.
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    Re: Is Cliven Bundy a Racist?

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    Racist do discriminate in underhanded manners. You think old Clive would hire a Mexican mowing crew to mow his lawn (if grass grew there) or my crew, white boys from the hood? Actually I ask that for a reason. I used to run a mowing landscaping buisness. To buisness/corp I never could underbid the big guys because their crews worked very cheaply and the buisness only looked at the bid. I got more residental than I could do.
    You have not watched that video yet have you? LMAO.... Keep talking LOL.

    Where he said he has worked next to mexican people and they are hard working people, telling you the NYT really butchered his statements!
    He had nothing but praise for mexican people. No matter what a white person says about blacks less then "blacks are the greatest people on earth and should be Gods." you are considered racist.

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    Re: Is Cliven Bundy a Racist?

    I cant see it at work, but it better be good. I cant imagine how he redeemed his statements.
    Quote Originally Posted by votemout View Post
    You have not watched that video yet have you? LMAO.... Keep talking LOL.

    Where he said he has worked next to mexican people and they are hard working people, telling you the NYT really butchered his statements!
    He had nothing but praise for mexican people. No matter what a white person says about blacks less then "blacks are the greatest people on earth and should be Gods." you are considered racist.
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    Re: Is Cliven Bundy a Racist?

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    I cant see it at work, but it better be good. I cant imagine how he redeemed his statements.
    When you hear the rest you will understand why he said what he said, they totally twisted the context.
    Remember how they edited Zimmermans phone call to sound racist? same deal here

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    Re: Is Cliven Bundy a Racist?

    Quote Originally Posted by Grim17 View Post
    I have an issue also with how "racist" and "racism" have been over applied to the point that the word has lost it's true meaning...
    I agree.

    I think far too many people include this in the calculation:

    Is Cliven Bundy a Racist?-capture-jpg

    I think using a racial slur can be an indication of racism, but I don't think it's necessarily indicative of racism.

    I will occasionally use a racial slur as a form of profanity (I guess you'd call it) in anger.

    When I use it I am directing it at a specific individual for a specific purpose.

    It is a demonstration of anger, and nothing absolutely more.

    Whether or not an observer would consider that an acceptable non-racist "explanation" for my use of a racial slur is pretty subjective.

    True racism isn't subjective at all.

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    Re: Is Cliven Bundy a Racist?

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Alex Jones calls him and defends himself.

    My initial impressions are confirmed by this clip.
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    Re: Is Cliven Bundy a Racist?

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Cliven Bundy is the Nevada cattle rancher who is refusing to pay the Federal government grazing fees and owes approximately $1.1 million.

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    He does not owe that money and here is why! Should research and not just parrot the Lame Stream Medias lies! Here is the real complaint filed in court and what it means!!

    The BLM, Cliven Bundy and Harry Reid | Investment Research Dynamics

    I enlisted my attorney colleague. Here’s the short explanation: “The transaction here was trespass. The feds litigated that and could have obtained damages, but didn’t ask for them. Now it’s too late. The fed’s failure to plead correctly will operate as a waiver.”

    My colleague dug up the original complaint, which you can read here: U.S. v. Cliven Bundy

    Here’s his explanation as to why the only right the Government had was to remove the cattle from grazing on the BLM land:

    Now I now believe, having read the complaint, that the BLM doesn’t have—and never had—the right to collect grazing fees, which were voluntary: in exchange for paying fees, cattlemen received a grazing permit. See para. 21.

    When Bundy refused to apply for a permit in 1993, his cattle became trespassing chattels. That means the BLM’s only remedy against Bundy was an action for trespass. The BLM exercised that right by filing a 2-count suit in court, one count for trespass and another for a judicial declaration that Bundy’s cattle are trespassing in violation of law.

    But a trespass action has never—not in 800 years of property jurisprudence—included any remedy that would grant a plaintiff any rights of dominion over the trespasser. There are but two remedies available to a plaintiff complaining of trespass. One is damages, the legal remedy. The other is an injunction, an equitable remedy. The BLM was only awarded the latter; it never even sought damages in its complaint

    There was never any colorable legal justification for selling the cattle. The only cause of action available to the BLM was at all times since 1993 a trespass action, which did not, does not, and cannot transfer title.

    Moreover, the fact that Bundy refused to pay the grazing fees does not mean that he owes back fees. He most certainly does not. Rather, it means that he voluntarily elected to became (via his cattle) a trespasser. The BLM filed suit for exactly this reason.

    Interestingly, the BLM’s complaint does not seek any monetary damages. Thus, not only does Bundy not owe the BLM any money for the unpaid fees, Bundy doesn’t owe any damages to the BLM because the BLM simply failed to ask for any damages.

    In short, the BLM’s act of attempting to sell the cattle, by entering into a $1 million contract for that purpose with a party in Utah, was a willful and wanton criminal act, as there was never any legal avenue that would have granted the BLM that right. The BLM and its lawyers had to have known that they were committing serious felonies.

    What happens from here is anyone’s guess. In the current posture of this case, Bundy must keep his cattle off of federal land (Gold Butte, etc.). But he doesn’t owe the BLM and money and the cattle are still his and always were.

    It is crystal clear once we learn the real facts of the BLM/Bundy dispute that the Government was NOT motivated to go after Bundy on behalf of the Taxpayer for unpaid cattle grazing fees. It also tells us that the only reason the BLM went after Bundy was to remove his cattle from BLM land, something for which I’m sure the average Taxpayer could care less. It stands to reason, therefore, that the sole motivation of the BLM actions against Bundy were taken on behalf of Harry Reid and his political and monetary interests.


    SO you saying he owes any money is a blatant lie!
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    Re: Is Cliven Bundy a Racist?

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Cliven Bundy is the Nevada cattle rancher who is refusing to pay the Federal government grazing fees and owes approximately $1.1 million. The possible choices in this poll are: Yes No I think so I don't think so I don't know. Other
    Let's just say he's a white, rich dramaqueen mooching off taxpayers with strong racist overtones.
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    Re: Is Cliven Bundy a Racist?

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Cliven Bundy is the Nevada cattle rancher who is refusing to pay the Federal government grazing fees and owes approximately $1.1 million.

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    Does Bundy saying that black people were better off under slavery make him a racist? Gosh, I dunno. That's a tough one. Give me a few days to mull that one over.

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