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    Re: Is Cliven Bundy a Racist?

    Should be interesting in 2030 to see how many high school boys are named Cliven.
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    Re: Is Cliven Bundy a Racist?

    I doubt he is racist... not in the sense that he has been portrayed.

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    Re: Is Cliven Bundy a Racist?

    Quote Originally Posted by bubbabgone View Post
    Here's the thing ... what he said was stupid by itself so the NYT reporting didn't have to edit it like they did.
    And if Bundy had any sense & better awareness he could have made a valid point without wrapping all that other crap around it.
    Here's a more complete text of his statement. ...

    ... and so what I've testified to you -- I was in the Watts riot, I seen the beginning fire and I seen that last fire. What I seen is civil disturbance. People are not happy, people are thinking they don't have their freedoms, they didn't have these things, and they didn't have them.

    We've progressed quite a bit from that day until now, and we sure don't want to go back. We sure don't want the colored people to go back to that point. We sure don't want these Mexican people to go back to that point. And we can make a difference right now by taking care of some of these bureaucracies, and do it in a peaceful way.

    Let me tell, talk to you about the Mexicans, and these are just things I know about the negroes. I want to tell you one more thing I know about the negro. When I go, went, go to Las Vegas, North Las Vegas, and I would see these little government houses, and in front of that government house the door was usually open and the older people and the kids -- and there's always at least a half a dozen people sitting on the porch. They didnít have nothing to do. They didnít have nothing for their kids to do. They didnít have nothing for their young girls to do.

    And because they were basically on government subsidy -- so now what do they do? They abort their young children, they put their young men in jail, because they never, they never learned how to pick cotton. And Iíve often wondered are they were better off as slaves, picking cotton and having a family life and doing things? Or are they better off under government subsidy?

    You know they didnít get more freedom, they got less freedom -- they got less family life, and their happiness -- you could see it in their faces -- they wasn't happy sitting on that concrete sidewalk. Down there they was probably growing their turnips -- so thatís all government, thatís not freedom.

    Now, let me talk about the Spanish people. You know, I understand that they come over here against our Constitution and cross our borders. But theyíre here and theyíre people -- and Iíve worked
    side by side a lot of them.

    Donít tell me they donít work, and donít tell me they donít pay taxes. And donít tell me they donít have better family structures than most of us white people. When you see those Mexican families, theyíre together, they picnic together, theyíre spending their time together, and Iíll tell you in my way of thinking theyíre awful nice people. And we need to have those people join us and be with us not, not come to our party.
    Greetings, Bubba.

    What you have posted above sounds like a man's opinion on what he has personally seen over the years. Is he not entitled to his own thoughts and opinions? I have to agree with him on the Mexicans I saw while spending time last Summer in Houston. I saw hard-working Mexican men, who did their jobs with no chit-chat or cigarette breaks, and it was 94 to 95 degrees every day. Maybe they smoke while going from lawn maintenance job to job, but they worked harder than I would have at those temps!

    And speaking of the black population in any big city, surrounded by concrete and weedy vacant lots filled with trash, how can they not become apathetic and non-caring? Think Detroit! Living like that would be unbearably depressing! No jobs to go to, not a lot of safe playgrounds for children have fun in, not enough dads around to mentor young boys, so what are they to do? Boredom and anger at their lot in life carried to extreme becomes dangerous, as we have seen. I'm inclined to agree with Bundy. He's not a politician who knows how to sugarcoat problems, and his choice of words might have offended many people, but he's telling us his opinion on what he's seen, and there is much truth in his words, which might explain the hate and vitriol shown to him by those who should know better!

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    Re: Is Cliven Bundy a Racist?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Yeah, what a shock you'd feel that way about people pledged to the Constitution.
    Those oathkeepers and those supporting Bundy know exactly jack and **** about the constitution.
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    Re: Is Cliven Bundy a Racist?

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Cliven Bundy is the Nevada cattle rancher who is refusing to pay the Federal government grazing fees and owes approximately $1.1 million.
    Tell me, what do you call the actions of the NYT for falsely reporting what he said in an effort to destroy the man?

    Isn't accusing someone of racism, and knowing the power that organization has (NYT) by painting a totally false picture of the man more vile than being a racist? You could start another poll asking that question.

    If you will libel someone for being a racist, and you call them an idiot (at best), what do you have reserved for those at the NYT that tried to destroy Bundy? Bundy will pay a price for the false reporting, his name has been damaged... what damage should the NYT receive?

    I'd say a few hundred million dollars ought to be about right. Enough for Bundy to buy or take over the rag.
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    Re: Is Cliven Bundy a Racist?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    from Mr. Bundy



    sure sounds like a racist to me.
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    Re: Is Cliven Bundy a Racist?

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Greetings, Bubba.

    What you have posted above sounds like a man's opinion on what he has personally seen over the years. Is he not entitled to his own thoughts and opinions? I have to agree with him on the Mexicans I saw while spending time last Summer in Houston. I saw hard-working Mexican men, who did their jobs with no chit-chat or cigarette breaks, and it was 94 to 95 degrees every day. Maybe they smoke while going from lawn maintenance job to job, but they worked harder than I would have at those temps!

    And speaking of the black population in any big city, surrounded by concrete and weedy vacant lots filled with trash, how can they not become apathetic and non-caring? Think Detroit! Living like that would be unbearably depressing! No jobs to go to, not a lot of safe playgrounds for children have fun in, not enough dads around to mentor young boys, so what are they to do? Boredom and anger at their lot in life carried to extreme becomes dangerous, as we have seen. I'm inclined to agree with Bundy. He's not a politician who knows how to sugarcoat problems, and his choice of words might have offended many people, but he's telling us his opinion on what he's seen, and there is much truth in his words, which might explain the hate and vitriol shown to him by those who should know better!
    I hear ya Pol...
    If he had instead summarized his point with something like ...
    "With the wrong leadership, the Federal Government can keep various groups of citizens in a dependent condition in order to maintain the leadership's own political longevity. And what they're doing to me and others like me is also an attempt to do the same thing."
    ... then he wouldn't have looked like such a racist schmuck.

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    Re: Is Cliven Bundy a Racist?

    There is no option for: Does it matter?

    Whether or not he's a racist doesn't make a difference when it comes to this issue. He has no right to graze on land that doesn't belong to him.
    Last edited by Hatuey; 04-26-14 at 12:46 PM.
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    Re: Is Cliven Bundy a Racist?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    It's the premise of his position. I've heard it before. Blacks were better off when we allowed them to be slaves on plantations than when we allow them to be slaves on welfare.
    Yea, still not what he said or meant. But keep swinging the racist card around.

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    Re: Is Cliven Bundy a Racist?

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Yea, still not what he said or meant. But keep swinging the racist card around.
    It's clearly the premise. I don't care if you cannot see that. Frankly, I'm not surprised that most people can't; however, I think they could if they tried.

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