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Thread: legislating morality

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    legislating morality

    Which laws are examples of people forcing their morals onto others?
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    Re: legislating morality

    All of them.

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    Re: legislating morality

    Quote Originally Posted by mpg View Post
    Which laws are examples of people forcing their morals onto others?
    The prisons are full of people who didn't like the laws that were imposed upon them.

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    Re: legislating morality

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    All of them.
    DING! DING! DING! WE HAVE A WINNAH!!!
    The very definition of laws is forcing the common morality of the society in which you live upon the members of that society. That's what a law is. The idea that some people have in thier heads that they're having someone else's morality forced on them and that that's a bad thing is gross immaturity.
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    Re: legislating morality

    While all laws are based on arbitrary morality, that doesn't mean that you can't create frameworks based around somewhat more objective standards. The rational basis test used in U.S. law is hardly perfect, but its certainly better than absolute monarchs or theocracies.

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    Re: legislating morality

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    While all laws are based on arbitrary morality, that doesn't mean that you can't create frameworks based around somewhat more objective standards. The rational basis test used in U.S. law is hardly perfect, but its certainly better than absolute monarchs or theocracies.
    There are no objective standards, all morality is subjective.
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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    Re: legislating morality

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    There are no objective standards, all morality is subjective.
    Morality may be subjective, but not some morals are more subjective than others. Certain concepts, like prohibitions against killing other people are shared by such an overwhelming majority that you can build a society around them even with the outliers. You can use root concepts as a foundation upon which you can create meta-rules that promote said concept in reality. Thus, you get things like laws against building a fireworks factory under an apartment, which is based on objective calculations that it would violate the core concept of not killing other people. Such a system is still not truly objective, but its certainly considerably more so than banning wearing a certain type of fabric of Thursdays because your deity said so.

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    Re: legislating morality

    Quote Originally Posted by faithful_servant View Post
    DING! DING! DING! WE HAVE A WINNAH!!!
    The very definition of laws is forcing the common morality of the society in which you live upon the members of that society. That's what a law is. The idea that some people have in thier heads that they're having someone else's morality forced on them and that that's a bad thing is gross immaturity.
    True, but there is a difference between legislating morality that maximizes freedom without causing harm to others and legislating morality that maximizes harm to others and minimizes freedom.

    Generally when the morality comes from extremist sides of religion, we get the later. See Iran. Or Saudi Arabia.
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    Re: legislating morality

    Both of them, as that's what a law is. Sort of like how we force our morality on people who want to murder born children.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    There are no objective standards, all morality is subjective.
    Was the Holocaust objectively immoral? Yes or no?

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    Re: legislating morality

    Quote Originally Posted by Paleocon View Post
    Was the Holocaust objectively immoral? Yes or no?
    You're asking his opinion on it.

    That's subjective.

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    People will have different opinions towards everything. While some think abortion is immoral, others do not. While some think homosexuality is immoral, others do not. If you were to pass any law, there would always be some opposition to it on a moral basis, regardless of whether or not the opposition was large or small.

    Laws are moral enforcement. Some laws just have more or less opposition than others.
    Last edited by John Hancock; 04-24-14 at 06:17 AM.

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