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Thread: legislating morality

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    Re: legislating morality

    With any law you can pretty much trace its implementation and reasons back to a moral belief or statute. All laws, to a degree, are legislation based on morality.
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    Re: legislating morality

    While there definitely are moral aspects to the laws, a truly just law can be justified by the protection of individual rights and promoting a civil society without any reference to morality, which is subjective.
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    Re: legislating morality

    Quote Originally Posted by mpg View Post
    Which laws are examples of people forcing their morals onto others?
    All laws, I had made this point before on both Gay marriage and abortion threads.
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    Re: legislating morality

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    While there definitely are moral aspects to the laws, a truly just law can be justified by the protection of individual rights and promoting a civil society without any reference to morality, which is subjective.
    That is if you believe it a moral imperative to protect individual rights.
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    Re: legislating morality

    Quote Originally Posted by johndylan1 View Post
    That is if you believe it a moral imperative to protect individual rights.
    Whether I, or anyone else, believes that is irrelevant

    What matters is that protecting individual rights can be justified on the basis of mutual self-interest, and the promotion of a civil socoety (which can also be justified on self-interest)
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    Re: legislating morality

    Quote Originally Posted by mpg View Post
    Getting back to the topic of the thread, the three people who voted for the first two options, really need to explain their votes. Actually, if you voted for anything other than option #5, you need to explain your vote. I see people pretending to do that without actually doing it.
    Why should they explain their positions? People often just give cryptic messages or walk away completely if they cannot support their positions in the face of counter-opinion.
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    Re: legislating morality

    Quote Originally Posted by johndylan1 View Post
    That is if you believe it a moral imperative to protect individual rights.
    Any other perspective would be counter to the Constitution IMO. It enumerates individual rights: life, liberty, pursuit of happiness. And then many others.
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: legislating morality

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Whether I, or anyone else, believes that is irrelevant

    What matters is that protecting individual rights can be justified on the basis of mutual self-interest, and the promotion of a civil socoety (which can also be justified on self-interest)
    What if I do not care about a civil society? What if there is a scarce commodity and I find it in my self interest to have it. If morality did not guide my way via law and punishment would I not simply take it?
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    Re: legislating morality

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Why should they explain their positions?
    That's the point of this website?


    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    People often just give cryptic messages or walk away completely if they cannot support their positions in the face of counter-opinion.
    Depending on the issue, core values are enough explanation. If someone was against capital punishment based on principle, would they need to cite crime statistics to support their opposition? If they said 'two wrongs don't make a right', is that the same as saying nothing at all? Would their opposition to the death penalty be "unacceptable" or "invalid"?
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    Re: legislating morality

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Any other perspective would be counter to the Constitution IMO. It enumerates individual rights: life, liberty, pursuit of happiness. And then many others.
    Absolutely, that is why the constitution is a moral document.
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