View Poll Results: What's More Important - the "Right" to Discriminate, or Freedom From Discrimination?

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    Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discrimination?

    Which is more important: the "right" to discriminate, or freedom from discrimination?

    Remember, you can't have both. If a business refuses to serve someone because he's black, and he refuses to leave and the business calls the cops to enforce their "right"...it is at that moment that we have government-enforced racism.

    Is that really what we want?
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Government enforced racism is a blemish on the history of a great country. I hope it never returns.
    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    Which is more important: the "right" to discriminate, or freedom from discrimination?

    Remember, you can't have both. If a business refuses to serve someone because he's black, and he refuses to leave and the business calls the cops to enforce their "right"...it is at that moment that we have government-enforced racism.

    Is that really what we want?
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    The reason some do not care about freedom from unjust discrimination is they're white and suffer no such threat on a societal level. The world ends at their nose.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    This is one of the few subjects on which I disagree with many of my fellow libertarians. I think the benefit of (most) anti-discrimination laws is ultimately worth the small sacrifice of some people's liberty.

    If you want to open your business to the public, that is exactly what you're going to have to do.
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    This is one of the few subjects on which I disagree with many of my fellow libertarians. I think the benefit of (most) anti-discrimination laws is ultimately worth the small sacrifice of some people's liberty.

    If you want to open your business to the public, that is exactly what you're going to have to do.
    I would think libertarians would support laws against fraud (providing a service of no real value) and aggression (waging economic war).

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    I think that this question begs mention of something that I've noticed over the years: As a general rule (yes, there are exceptions), those on the left tend towards supporting rights over responsibilities, while those on the right tend towards supporting responsibilities over rights.
    We have a responsibility to avoid racism and the right to expect freedom from racism. If everyone took their responsibility in this matter to heart, we would have no need for the right to ever be an issue, since there would be no racism to be free from. The problem is that we have two groups of people who make this impossible: The first and most obvious are those who shirk their responsibility and carry out racist acts. These are easy to spot and are, in this country, becoming a dying breed. The other is those who use the right be free from racism as a tool to gain that which they have no right to. These are more difficult to spot, but are a growing group. They have the stamp of approval from far too many people who put rights above responsibilities, so they get a pass on their abuse of their right.
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    Which is more important: the "right" to discriminate, or freedom from discrimination?

    Remember, you can't have both. If a business refuses to serve someone because he's black, and he refuses to leave and the business calls the cops to enforce their "right"...it is at that moment that we have government-enforced racism.

    Is that really what we want?
    No. It is at that point that we have a government-enforced right not to be discriminated against.

    If you are serving the public, you do not have (and should not have) the right to discriminate. What you do in your home, on the sidewalk, in your car, at establishments other than your own public business/organization is completely up to you. Choose to associate, not to associate, to call names, to defend . . . whatever. But when you have a business or organization that serves the public? Your right to discriminate in your business or organization is over-ridden by my right not to be discriminated against.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Without the right to discriminate you can't very well have human rights, so obviously the correct choice here is the right to discriminate.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    Which is more important: the "right" to discriminate, or freedom from discrimination?

    Remember, you can't have both. If a business refuses to serve someone because he's black, and he refuses to leave and the business calls the cops to enforce their "right"...it is at that moment that we have government-enforced racism.

    Is that really what we want?
    That ignores some important variables. My business is doing home repairs/improvements and thus I work (often alone) at the customer's location. I deserve to have the right to refuse to work in unsafe areas regardless of any accusations of racism - if my tools are stolen then my income earning potential disappears.
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    I don't think the federal government was given the proper power to so act.



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