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Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discrimination?

What's More Important - the "Right" to Discriminate, or Freedom From Discrimination?

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US Conservative said:
What is hard to grasp here? The govt should recognize private property (to the lefts dismay). That is not a green light to stick its nose into everything else (also to the lefts dismay).
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You could always exercise your ultimate right to find a nation more to your liking.
 
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haymarket said:
YOu want government in your life when it is to your advantage and then you want small government to stay out of your life when it is not to your liking. At least you are consistent with your past behaviors in this area.
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that is nonsense.

we libertarians want the government to act in the areas where it was properly delegated the power to do so. and that may or may not be in our "best interests" for a given action.
 
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Ikari said:
No, it's appeal to authority, perchance it's time to learn your logical fallacies. Stupid arguments and emotional lashing out is not going to change it.
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Its an appeal to reality .... something libertarians hate and abhor. It is understandable that you cannot comprehend it.
 
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TurtleDude said:
that is nonsense.

we libertarians want the government to act in the areas where it was properly delegated the power to do so. and that may or may not be in our "best interests" for a given action.
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That is just what I said - when it benefits you it is proper in your view. Otherwise - not so much. Typical libertarian hypocrisy. :roll:
 
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haymarket said:
Its an appeal to reality .... something libertarians hate and abhor. It is understandable that you cannot comprehend it.
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why do you find libertarians so frightening?
 
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haymarket said:
That is just what I said - when it benefits you it is proper in your view. Otherwise - not so much. Typical libertarian hypocrisy.
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uh you completely misread what I wrote. I said we want the government only to act in its proper areas and that MAY OR MAY NOT be in our best interest

how could you so completely fail to understand that simple sentence?
 
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haymarket said:
YOu want government in your life when it is to your advantage and then you want small government to stay out of your life when it is not to your liking. At least you are consistent with your past behaviors in this area.
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Precisely. I want law that protect the person and property of my fellow Americans, and I oppose law that violates the person and property of my fellow American. In either case, I support the concept of law. I just have different ideas than you with respect to what ought to be illegal. I think it ought to be illegal to dictate to a property owner who he must allow access to his property. You apparently want the law prevents property owners from controlling access to their own property.
 
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TurtleDude said:
why do you find libertarians so frightening?
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Why do I find people who want to destroy American society and take us back to the gilded age horrors to be loathsome and despicable? Its a bit of a self explanatory situation.
 
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haymarket said:
Why do I find people who want to destroy American society and take us back to the gilded age horrors to be loathsome and despicable? Its a bit of a self explanatory situation.
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How is the philosophy this country was based on going to destroy America unless you are conceding that the leftwing illnesses that have corrupted our government would be destroyed by the concept of freedom and a limited government?
 
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TurtleDude said:
How is the philosophy this country was based on going to destroy America unless you are conceding that the leftwing illnesses that have corrupted our government would be destroyed by the concept of freedom and a limited government?
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As I have already answered --- we would return to the horrors of the gilded age and life would get really really bad for scores of millions of Americans.
 
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Federalist said:
Precisely. I want law that protect the person and property of my fellow Americans, and I oppose law that violates the person and property of my fellow American. In either case, I support the concept of law. I just have different ideas than you with respect to what ought to be illegal. I think it ought to be illegal to dictate to a property owner who he must allow access to his property. You apparently want the law prevents property owners from controlling access to their own property.
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Thank you for confirming what I figured out a very long time ago --- you are all in favor of government when it benefits you and all against it when it imposes some obligation or duty upon you that the American people want but your extremist ideology objects to because it upsets the gospel of selfishness. True hypocrisy.
 
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haymarket said:
As I have already answered --- we would return to the horrors of the gilded age and life would get really really bad for scores of millions of Americans.
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we don't need all the violations of the tenth amendment that the left worships to prevent the things you complain about. what were the "horrors" of the gilded age hat you complain so much about?
 
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haymarket said:
Thank you for confirming what I figured out a very long time ago --- you are all in favor of government when it benefits you and all against it when it imposes some obligation or duty upon you that the American people want but your extremist ideology objects to because it upsets the gospel of selfishness. True hypocrisy.
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did not you make this same claim a few posts ago without any proof then too?
 
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haymarket said:
You could always exercise your ultimate right to find a nation more to your liking.
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Such as? What country is more conservative? And I mean classical conservative, so do your homework before you reply.

In any case, living in CA where people are clueless liberals by default I very quickly learned to absolutely eat liberals for breakfast. Being conservative here requires direct action by ones self.
 
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haymarket said:
Thank you for confirming what I figured out a very long time ago --- you are all in favor of government when it benefits you and all against it when it imposes some obligation or duty upon you that the American people want but your extremist ideology objects to because it upsets the gospel of selfishness. True hypocrisy.
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Are you really trying to portray yourself as somehow different in this? Every single person in this entire world are all in favor of governments that benefit them and against those same governments when it imposes on them. Hell, thats the main reason that the US was born. Because some government tried to tell the Colonies what to do. It's also why there are several current civil wars going on in the world. Not to mention protests, civil disobediance etc etc. It's not hypocritical at all. It's human nature.
 
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haymarket said:
As I have already answered --- we would return to the horrors of the gilded age and life would get really really bad for scores of millions of Americans.
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The Gilded Age was when America passed the UK as the strongest economy in the world.
 
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haymarket said:
Thank you for confirming what I figured out a very long time ago --- you are all in favor of government when it benefits you and all against it when it imposes some obligation or duty upon you that the American people want but your extremist ideology objects to because it upsets the gospel of selfishness. True hypocrisy.
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Actually I'm in favor of government when it protects the person and property of my fellow Americans, and I oppose it when it violates the person and property of my fellow Americans.

You, on the other hand, support exactly the sort of government I oppose. You want the government to use force in order to prevent your fellow Americans from controlling access to their own property.
 
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haymarket said:
Nothing could be more childish than saying we are finished and then lying about that posting yet again to call me childish? A last worder it would seem is one of your traits.
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I won't be playing your juvenile games. If you quote me again, that is your own cry for attention which I will no longer give.
 
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Glen Contrarian said:
Which is more important: the "right" to discriminate, or freedom from discrimination?

Remember, you can't have both. If a business refuses to serve someone because he's black, and he refuses to leave and the business calls the cops to enforce their "right"...it is at that moment that we have government-enforced racism.

Is that really what we want?
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I would like to see almost any non-incorporated business not providing a limited vital public service free to discriminate for just about any reason they choose, including race, sexual behavior, gender (there are only two,) age, ethnicity or political affiliation.

Non-discrimination requirements could be applied as the State sees fit when a commercial enterprise seeks a charter of incorporation.

Forced deceny is indecent.
 
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TurtleDude said:
we don't need all the violations of the tenth amendment that the left worships to prevent the things you complain about. what were the "horrors" of the gilded age hat you complain so much about?
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Your personal opinion is noted but rejected as contrary to legal and political reality in the current USA.

The horrors of the Gilded Age basically come down to one key factor: government being firmly on the side of the rich and powerful allowing them to exploit, abuse and run roughshod over the American people. This was manifested in all manner of public policy especially in the all important of labor law which determined the economic health of people.
 
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TurtleDude said:
did not you make this same claim a few posts ago without any proof then too?
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See the posts I was replying to from your fellow libertarians who admit they do not object to government if it is their own personal interests but object to it when they believe otherwise. You need go no further than the last few pages of this thread and the posts I replied to.
 
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US Conservative said:
Such as? What country is more conservative? And I mean classical conservative, so do your homework before you reply.

In any case, living in CA where people are clueless liberals by default I very quickly learned to absolutely eat liberals for breakfast. Being conservative here requires direct action by ones self.
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I would not begin to select a country for you. Only you could do that based on your own belief system. But it is more than obvious that you are NOT happy where you are despite your self proclaimed breakfast diet.
 
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Kal'Stang said:
Are you really trying to portray yourself as somehow different in this? Every single person in this entire world are all in favor of governments that benefit them and against those same governments when it imposes on them. Hell, thats the main reason that the US was born. Because some government tried to tell the Colonies what to do. It's also why there are several current civil wars going on in the world. Not to mention protests, civil disobediance etc etc. It's not hypocritical at all. It's human nature.
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No - its blatant and obvious hypocrisy.
 
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Grant said:
The Gilded Age was when America passed the UK as the strongest economy in the world.
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Yes - and that was certainly the benefit of the period. It also was a terrible period when government was firmly on the side of wealth and corporations and ran roughshod over the average American. This was obvious in the area of labor law where the gross inequality manifested itself in our nation in many areas creating a large and exploited underclass.

Raw, unrestrained capitalism is an excellent vehicle for economic growth providing we are willing to look the other way at the mountain of bodies left in its wake.

There is much material on this

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ISBN=1400040280/theatlanticmonthA/re f=nosim

http://www.amazon.com/Altgelds-America-Lincoln-Changing-Realities/dp/0910129487

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/18/arts/18grim.html?_r=0

http://www.amazon.com/1877-Violence...8943247&sr=1-1&keywords=1877+year+of+violence

this general article provides a wealth of sources on such things as labor strife and the other economic ills that grew directly from the imbalance of power during this period

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gilded_Age
 
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Federalist said:
Actually I'm in favor of government when it protects the person and property of my fellow Americans, and I oppose it when it violates the person and property of my fellow Americans.

You, on the other hand, support exactly the sort of government I oppose. You want the government to use force in order to prevent your fellow Americans from controlling access to their own property.
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Thank you for again confirming what I figured out a very long time ago --- you are all in favor of government when it benefits you and all against it when it imposes some obligation or duty upon you that the American people want but your extremist ideology objects to because it upsets the gospel of selfishness. True hypocrisy.
 
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