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Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discrimination?

What's More Important - the "Right" to Discriminate, or Freedom From Discrimination?

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Federalist said:
So do you think that you have the right to violate the body or property of your fellow man in order to coerce him to trade with someone against his will?
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Hyperbole.
 
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rabbitcaebannog said:
The government doesn't make you associate with people you don't like. Selling goods to someone isn't the same thing as associating with them.
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Trading with someone is a type of association. Yes. It should be voluntary, not coerced by government. Yes. I'm glad you see it my way now. Thanks.
 
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rabbitcaebannog said:
I'm not going to waste my time entertaining hyperbole.
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I understand. Facing facts can be painful, especially when one supports violating the body or property of one's fellow man. Nasty business indeed. Best left to the government thugs.
 
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Federalist said:
I understand. Facing facts can be painful, especially when one supports violating the body or property of one's fellow man. Nasty business indeed. Best left to the government thugs.
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Property worship is idolatry. You need to found your ethics in something meaningful.
 
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ecofarm said:
Property worship is idolatry. You need to found your ethics in something meaningful.
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So you are ok with people taking your property?
 
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No one has "the right to discriminate".. Discrimination is inherently anti-free
 
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rabbitcaebannog said:
Having a business doesn't give one a license to do whatever he pleases.
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No, but having property does give you a license to do with that property as you please allowing that it doesn't infringe on someone else's right.
 
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FederalRepublic said:
Trading with someone is a type of association. Yes. It should be voluntary, not coerced by government. Yes. I'm glad you see it my way now. Thanks.
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Well, that is quite a stretch. You are suggesting that every person I come in contact each day I have common purpose or interest;
 
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FederalRepublic said:
No, but having property does give you a license to do with that property as you please allowing that it doesn't infringe on someone else's right.
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Yeah, and that last part is why we have Civil Rights.
 
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TheDemSocialist said:
No one has "the right to discriminate".. Discrimination is inherently anti-free
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Every single person in the world discriminates every single day, multiple times a day, when they choose one thing over another.
 
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TheDemSocialist said:
No one has "the right to discriminate".. Discrimination is inherently anti-free
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Are you aware that "to discriminate" means nothing more than "to recognize a distinction between"?

Are you saying that each of us doesn't have a right to recognize distinctions? Prohibiting the recognition of something seems absurd to me.
 
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Federalist said:
So you are ok with people taking your property?
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Who's taking anyone's property? You're completely off the ledge.
 
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rabbitcaebannog said:
Well, that is quite a stretch. You are suggesting that every person I come in contact each day I have common purpose or interest;
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No. I'm suggesting that everyone you trade voluntarily with has a common purpose or interest. You must know this is true. Otherwise they wouldn't trade with you.
 
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rabbitcaebannog said:
Yeah, and that last part is why we have Civil Rights.
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No. We have civil rights to keep the government from infringing on our natural rights.
 
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FederalRepublic said:
No. I'm suggesting that everyone you trade voluntarily with has a common purpose or interest. You must know this is true. Otherwise they wouldn't trade with you.
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Yeah, the interest is to trade...that is where the association ends.
 
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Federalist said:
Are you aware that "to discriminate" means nothing more than "to recognize a distinction between"?

Are you saying that each of us doesn't have a right to recognize distinctions? Prohibiting the recognition of something seems absurd to me.
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FederalRepublic said:
Every single person in the world discriminates every single day, multiple times a day, when they choose one thing over another.
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I may be wrong, but i think the OP meant this Discrimination in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
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ecofarm said:
Who's taking anyone's property? You're completely off the ledge.
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So when you wrote this:

ecofarm said:
Property worship is idolatry. You need to found your ethics in something meaningful.
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What exactly did you mean? I took it to mean that you wanted to take or control the property of your fellow man. If not, what do you consider to be property worship?
 
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FederalRepublic said:
No. We have civil rights to keep the government from infringing on our natural rights.
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Oh, your (general you) right to be a bigot is a 'natural right' compared to their right to be of a different race, creed, religion etc....is that not a 'natural' right?
 
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Federalist said:
I took it to mean
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Just stop right there and let's ponder the void that statement creates.
 
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ecofarm said:
Just stop right there and let's ponder the void that statement creates.
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So what DID you mean?

Are you okay with taking people's property?
 
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Glen Contrarian said:
Yeah, how dare the American government take away that baker's right to refuse service to someone else just because that someone else had a lifestyle the baker didn't like! How dare the American government outlaw acts of prejudice and discrimination!



Yeah, how dare the American government pass standards for conduct of a business and somehow expect that the same laws should apply to everybody, instead of allowing certain businesses to say, "well, we don't want to follow that law because it's against our religion"...never mind that it's NOT part of that religion that the business owners must have that business. Of course, if I can't legally run a business without violating my religious beliefs (and I am very much a strong Christian), then I won't run that business - I'll find a different business to run.



Yeah, how dare people speak out against celebrities saying that Jim Crow wasn't so bad, that 'blacks were happier back then'! And how dare the networks react to the people speaking out against that radio show personality because they thought they might actually lose some business!



And how DARE the government target left-leaning groups for a longer period of time than it did right-leaning groups! The government should ONLY have targeted left-leaning groups, I guess.



Mm-hmm...yes, we all remember how those of differing viewpoints like "communist" and "socialist" and "Muslim" and "gay" and "lesbian" and "transsexual" and "HIV-positive" were SO WELCOMED back in the day, weren't they?



Yes, the emotional, physical, and economic retribution now is certainly worse than it was against blacks during Jim Crow, worse than it was against LGBT's before the 2000's, worse than it was against communists and socialists during the Cold War (particularly the McCarthy era), worse than it was against anyone who wasn't white since before the Declaration of Independence was signed...

...yeah, things are SO BAD, SO TERRIBLE for those on the Right - they're being SO PERSECUTED! They're the real victims, right?
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Good. Then you agree that we have less rights to our liberties, speech, choices, and self determination than we used to have and people are expected to conform to somebody else's ideas of how they should speak, think, and behave. See how easy that was?
 
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Glen Contrarian said:
Which is more important: the "right" to discriminate, or freedom from discrimination?

Remember, you can't have both. If a business refuses to serve someone because he's black, and he refuses to leave and the business calls the cops to enforce their "right"...it is at that moment that we have government-enforced racism.

Is that really what we want?
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Everyone discriminates. I don't go to rap concerts or tractor pulls. There is no right to racial discrimination but nothing stops an individual to not accept white or black friends. If you are talking about companies that serve the public the right to discriminate doesn't exist.
 
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