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Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discrimination?

What's More Important - the "Right" to Discriminate, or Freedom From Discrimination?

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Henrin said:
What? State Constitutions grant powers to the state governments to do certain things, and like it is with the US Constitution and the federal government, anything not listed they can't do.
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Tenth Amendment, and the Constitutions of the states I have read over the last few minutes give their legislatures the power to enact laws. There are prohibitions in these documents as what laws cannot be passed and for what reason. If not prohibited or in conflict with another clause, the laws are valid.

This is getting tiresome for me. This discussion has run around the same tree a number of times so far, and I prefer to stop running in circles at this point.

I'm not an attorney. I do understand basic business law, given that I have taken enumerable courses in the subject and own my own business.

You have a good night Henrin. I appreciate your zeal and commitment. I just don't feel like going around and around anymore.
 
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Beaudreaux said:
Tenth Amendment, and the Constitutions of the states I have read over the last few minutes give their legislatures the power to enact laws. There are prohibitions in these documents as what laws cannot be passed and for what reason. If not prohibited or in conflict with another clause, the laws are valid.

This is getting tiresome for me. This discussion has run around the same tree a number of times so far, and I prefer to stop running in circles at this point.

I'm not an attorney. I do understand basic business law, given that I have taken enumerable courses in the subject and own my own business.

You have a good night Henrin. I appreciate your zeal and commitment. I just don't feel like going around and around anymore.
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So if I was to ask for you to quote these clauses you wouldn't do so? I'm honestly curious on which clauses in the state constitutions grant them the power to regulate business. In any event, all the tenth amendment does in this case is basically refer everything not listed to the state constitutions. If it is not found there, then it's basically not a power of government.
 
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ecofarm said:
So then you think it's ok if blacks are denied service by the power company.

They can use lanterns and boil water with firewood, right? That's not much more inconvenient than going to a store that's farther away.
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Imo, any non life-and-death service denial for ANY REASON (skin color, sex, height, shoe size) should be legal.

Obviously, the power company would be a potential life-and-death situation...so they could not discriminate.
 
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ernst barkmann said:
did not say that, I said, there is no justification for taking a person rights......unless they committing a crime, or causing a health or safety issue.

the idea you believe can put constitutional law to one side because you don't like what is says is dangerous.
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Then you agree with Henrin. The power company should be able to refuse service to blacks.
 
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ttwtt78640 said:
But that is the problem; the businessman says the reason was the slaughterhouse (work location/scope), the denied customer says the reason was personal (their religion). Who, if either, should the state believe (and why)?
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It's called "covering your ass". If you are planning on turning someone down for a job then either record the meeting/phone call where you plan to do it (according to the law on doing such things) or have a witness/witnesses there to verify. The person making the accusation is going to need more than them saying that is why they were turned down. In every case I've ever seen with an issue like this, it required some sort of proof/evidence beyond "well he told me this was why", whether that was verification that the reason really was as claimed by the accuser (as is really what usually happens) or some sort of documentation of it (I've seen emails found that verified the accusation used to prove it was based on some unjust discrimination).
 
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DA60 said:
Imo, any non life-and-death service denial for ANY REASON (skin color, sex, height, shoe size) should be legal.

Obviously, the power company would be a potential life-and-death situation...so they could not discriminate.
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That's BS. Not having power is not a life-and-death situation. I lived for two years without electricity.

Just like blacks can go to a store farther away, they can use lanterns and firewood. It's not such a huge inconvenience.
 
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ecofarm said:
Then you agree with Henrin. The power company should be able to refuse service to blacks.
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no I didn't say that, I see electrical power like I would see water, was a health and safety reason, people could be sick, and have to rely on electrical power for medical equipment.

people need to keep warm in winter and cool during the summer

power companies are not like gas station, stores to buy common everyday things.

as I stated before health and safety is a complex issue ,anything which affects the health and safety of the public, requires government action but state government not federal, the federal government was not intended to be involves in the life's of the American people.
 
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ernst barkmann said:
no I didn't say that, I see electrical power like I would see water, was a health and safety reason, people could be sick, and have to rely on electrical power for medical equipment.
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They could get permits allowing the government to use force on their behalf. The other blacks can use lanterns and firewood, it's a minor inconvenience for them to preserve our right to freedom of association.
 
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ecofarm said:
That's BS. Not having power is not a life-and-death situation. I lived for two years without electricity.

Just like blacks can go to a store farther away, they can use lanterns and firewood. It's not such a huge inconvenience.
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If you want to allow power companies to deny service to people for any reason...fine.

Me? I think it is potentially life-and-death...and I don't much care if you disagree.
 
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DA60 said:
If you want to allow power companies to deny service to people for any reason...fine.

Me? I think it is potentially life-and-death...and I don't much care if you disagree.
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Why does it being potentially life and death matter?
 
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DA60 said:
If you want to allow power companies to deny service to people for any reason...fine.

Me? I think it is potentially life-and-death...and I don't much care if you disagree.
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Someone would need to prove it's life-and-death, then they could have the government use force on their behalf. Fair enough?
 
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Henrin said:
Why does it being potentially life and death matter?
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hahaha

Henrin says "**** them there blacks, let 'em die!"
 
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Henrin said:
Why does it being potentially life and death matter?
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Denying someone service that could save their life - like denying medical assistance to a stroke victim - for discriminatory reasons should be illegal.

If I have to actually explain this to you...then you are not worth (on this topic anyway) wasting my time on.
 
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ecofarm said:
They could get permits allowing the government to use force on their behalf. The other blacks can use lanterns and firewood, it's a minor inconvenience for them to preserve our right to freedom of association.
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you cant give government power to use force on other people.

are you black?.... because you are obsessed with using the word black in all conversation like these.
 
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ernst barkmann said:
you cant give government power to use force on other people.
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Ok, fine. Even the blacks that would die from lack of electricity for medical equipment can eat a crap. **** 'em all!! Woohoo!

Power to white people (only)!
 
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DA60 said:
Denying someone service that could save their life - like denying medical assistance to a stroke victim - for discriminatory reasons should be illegal.

If I have to actually explain this to you...then you are not worth (on this topic anyway) wasting my time on.
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I guess it's a waste of your time then because I don't agree with you. :D
 
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ecofarm said:
Someone would need to prove it's life-and-death, then they could have the government use force on their behalf. Fair enough?
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Fair enough.

But I assume there would be a law which includes a list of general services that cannot be denied for discriminatory reasons...the onus should be on the denier to be certain of their legality before denying service to someone.
 
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Henrin said:
I guess it's a waste of your time then because I don't agree with you. :D
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Fine...good day.
 
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DA60 said:
Fair enough.
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hahahaha
 
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ecofarm said:
Ok, fine. Even the blacks that would die from lack of electricity for medical equipment can eat a crap. **** 'em all!! Woohoo!

Power to white people (only)!
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who told you I believe that?.......you already called me a racist already for no reason.

so your arguments are embarrassing?
 
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ecofarm said:
hahaha

Henrin says "**** them there blacks, let 'em die!"
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As I have said before, denying someone a service doesn't worsen their condition, but just doesn't help to improve it. I don't see any reason this exception makes any sense.
 
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ernst barkmann said:
you already called me a racist already for no reason.
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Redundancy aside, that's not true. Why are you pretending to be a victim? Have you been taught to claim victimization whenever someone confronts you?

Don't you try to play the race card on me, buddy. Let's see the post.
 
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Henrin said:
As I have said before, denying someone a service doesn't worsen their condition, but just doesn't help to improve it. I don't see any reason this exception makes any sense.
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So if the only well in a desert for 100 miles sells it's water as a business...but the owner denies service to a man near-death from thirst strictly because he is catholic...that should be legal to you?

Yes or no, please?
 
Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

Henrin said:
As I have said before, denying someone a service doesn't worsen their condition, but just doesn't help to improve it. I don't see any reason this exception makes any sense.
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Yeah. Having to drive a bit extra for a store, or using a lantern and firewood is just something that black people should live with. We gotta have the right to **** them, it's in the Constitution!
 
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