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Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discrimination?

What's More Important - the "Right" to Discriminate, or Freedom From Discrimination?

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ernst barkmann said:
it has been stated, if it goes beyond feelings...then if is a rights violation by the owner, ...what is the violation, according to the rights we have under the constitution.

you have no exercisable rights on property which does not belong to you.
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A lot of those supplies you sell don't belong entirely to you.
 
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Gimmesometruth said:
F'nig libertarians are history class drop-outs.
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Liberals can't read the commerce clause. Tell me again where business is listed? :lamo
 
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rabbitcaebannog said:
Um, point is you are selling needed resources. If you are refusing resources to people who need them and are willingly to buy them because you are discriminating, you are making them subservient to you.
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if what I am not selling could cause you harm, pain, death, and there is no one else you can obtain the items from, you would have a case, ..however you are free as a bird, to seek items you want or need from other sources.

if one store is target, and the other is Walmart, across the street from each other, ...do you have a right to demand target sell you a product, even though you can obtain it across the street at Walmart?
 
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ernst barkmann said:
if what I am not selling could cause you harm, pain, death, and there is no one else you can obtain the items from, you would have a case, ..however you are free as a bird, to seek items you want or need from other sources.

if one store is target, and the other is Walmart, across the street from each other, ...do you have a right to demand target sell you a product, even though you can obtain it across the street at Walmart?
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What about electricity. Henrin says: "too bad, black people, no electricity for you".
 
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Henrin said:
Liberals can't read the commerce clause. Tell me again where business is listed? :lamo
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commerce clause applies to state governments only, and their commerce with other states......
 
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Federalist said:
I'm not inferring. This is what you said: "No right by which any individual may do so."

But some individual WILL actually violate (or threatening to violate) the bigot's body or property in order to coerce him to do business with the protected person. Do you think this particular individual has a right to do so, and, if so, how do you reconcile that with your opinion that no individual may do so?
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I don't need to reconcile it. What I stated stands on its own.
 
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ernst barkmann said:
commerce clause applies to state governments only, and their commerce with other states......
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Exactly. For some reason liberals think the commerce clause allows the federal government to control the operations of business.
 
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ernst barkmann said:
if what I am not selling could cause you harm, pain, death, and there is no one else you can obtain the items from, you would have a case, ..however you are free as a bird, to seek items you want or need from other sources.

if one store is target, and the other is Walmart, across the street from each other, ...do you have a right to demand target sell you a product, even though you can obtain it across the street at Walmart?
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But that's not what happened in the south before those civil rights laws.
 
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ecofarm said:
What about electricity. Henrin says: "too bad, black people, no electricity for you".
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I know. All I can say is TG for civil right laws!
 
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ecofarm said:
What about electricity. Henrin says: "too bad, black people, no electricity for you".
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well I may have to disagree then, then that can be is a public health and safety issue, ...... by people freezing in winter, or roasting in the heat of summer.

health and safety is perplexing problem, when dealing with people.
 
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Henrin said:
Liberals can't read the commerce clause. Tell me again where business is listed? :lamo
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In section 4 of the opinion, the Court held that racial discrimination in restaurants had a significant impact on interstate commerce, and therefore Congress has the power to regulate this conduct under the Commerce Clause.

Katzenbach v. McClung - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
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ernst barkmann said:
well I may have to disagree then, then that can be is a public health and safety issue, ...... by people freezing in winter, or roasting in the heat of summer.

health and safety is perplexing problem, when dealing with people.
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Let's assume no health or safety issue. Just having lights and such. Too bad for black people? Back to lanterns for them.

They can secure their light from another source!
 
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rabbitcaebannog said:
But that's not what happened in the south before those civil rights laws.
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the southern governments were creating and enforcing discrimination laws......government cannot do that.

because it works to serve the interest of the people, a business owner works to serve his own interest, not that of the public.
 
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Gimmesometruth said:
In section 4 of the opinion, the Court held that racial discrimination in restaurants had a significant impact on interstate commerce, and therefore Congress has the power to regulate this conduct under the Commerce Clause.

Katzenbach v. McClung - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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I've have read the ruling before. That doesn't change what the commerce clause actually gives the federal government the power to do. Thanks for linking to SC logic though.
 
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ernst barkmann said:
the southern governments were creating and enforcing discrimination laws......government cannot do that.

because it works to serve the interest of the people, a business owner works to serve his own interest, not that of the public.
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Well you just said southern governments did then said government can't. That's a little contradictory.
 
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tres borrachos said:
Christonacracker, that list encompasses just about everyone in the country. You fall into one of those categories somewhere. I am of Irish and German descent. I would assume (if the laws are FAIR) that both of them qualify for "National Origin".

If "Religion" is a protected class, why the angst against the people whose religious beliefs tell them that sodomy is a sin (NO, I am not in that number, just thinking aloud).

Redheads should not be a protected class. Blondes, on the other hand, should. I am blonde.
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I look forward to your posts. They're to the point and usually give me a chuckle with the wit they contain. Thanks for your uplifting insight once again.
 
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ecofarm said:
Let's assume no health or safety issue. Just having lights and such. Too bad for black people? Back to lanterns for them.

They can secure their light from another source!
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do you know of a case were this has happened?

the laws of the past Jim crow laws, were not by individual people but by government creating laws and enforcing them against blacks.

it was unlawful for whites to sell to blacks because of local and state laws.

if large business tried to discriminate today, with social media, news, and constant protesting groups, the business would not survive.
 
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rabbitcaebannog said:
I know. All I can say is TG for civil right laws!
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No one has the right to the labor or property of someone else nor do they have the right to the association of other people. I don't care if it's electricity, food, clothing, housing, gas, a cell phone, a car, a loan, a wedding cake, a job or anything else you can imagine. They don't have a right to it if it belongs to someone else, takes the labor of someone else, or requires other people to agree to association to be provided.
 
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Henrin said:
No one has the right to the labor or property of someone else nor do they have the right to the association of other people. I don't care if it's electricity, food, clothing, housing, gas, a cell phone, a car, a loan, a wedding cake, a job or anything else you can imagine. They don't have a right to it if it belongs to someone else, takes the labor of someone else, or requires other people to agree to association to be provided.
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You forgot healthcare.
 
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rabbitcaebannog said:
Well you just said southern governments did then said government can't. That's a little contradictory.
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I said southern governments did....

the civil rights act of 1964 put an end to that unlawful activity by governments, which cannot discriminate according to constitutional law.

however the civil rights act has been applied to individual citizens, and that is also unlawful......because the constitution states no one can be forced to serve another citizen, which is what government is doing.

the 14th amendment applies to government only, the civil rights act of 64 is illegally allowing government to give civil rights [privileges] to people, on other people's property...a violation of constitutional law.
 
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ernst barkmann said:
I said southern governments did....

the civil rights act of 1964 put an end to that unlawful activity by governments, which cannot discriminate according to constitutional law.

however the civil rights act has been applied to individual citizens, and that is also unlawful......because the constitution states no one can be forced to serve another citizen, which is what government is doing.
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That's not what the constitution states.
 
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ernst barkmann said:
do you know of a case were this has happened?
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You can't deal with it as a hypothetical, can you? That's because it illustrates where the racists are going with their BS about 'freedom to associate' in public business.

Hey, blacks can get some firewood to boil water. That's really not much more of an inconvenience than having to go to a store slightly farther away.

And if the local vet will not serve blacks, they can always just go to the next town.

These small inconveniences are nothing compared to the evil government protecting everyone from such practice - right?
 
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rabbitcaebannog said:
That's not what the constitution states.
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really?

13th--Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.

14th--All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

the 14th amendment was original written for slaves only giving them civil rights[privileges], this confirmed by the slaughterhouse case of 1873. however in the 20th century, the court applied it to every citizen.

so federal, state, and local governments cannot discriminate.
 
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