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Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discrimination?

What's More Important - the "Right" to Discriminate, or Freedom From Discrimination?


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Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

How far are you willing to take this statement?

It's a heck better than the alternative of what we had 60 years ago.
 
Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

Hey, I have Henrin in here who wants to deny all services including medical if he wants to.

What I said is that the doctor that provides his labor or the hospital that provides their property to care for individual in question has the right to refuse to do so if that is what they want to do.
 
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Sure, who cares when it's a cupcake. But what about when it's electricity?

There are certainly specific situations where denial of service does infringe upon rights, and in those situations one can properly use government force to protect the rights of the individual.
 
Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

It's a heck better than the alternative of what we had 60 years ago.

Yes, but how about you answer the question. How far are you willing to take that statement?
 
Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

There are certainly specific situations where denial of service does infringe upon rights, and in those situations one can properly use government force to protect the rights of the individual.

But we should let the little things slide, to make the racists happy... right? A tiny bit of economic race warfare intent to create a second class never hurt anyone, right?
 
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Sure, who cares when it's a cupcake. But what about when it's electricity?

Why would it be different for electricity? The service still requires property and labor that is not your own to be provided.
 
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That's not what you were disputing. What you said was that it was in their interest to sell it, which is true. But that has nothing to do with the fact that they own the gas that they bought.

The point is that money goes back to the gas company. The owner only makes a small profit on it. It's not their gas.
 
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But we should let the little things slide, to make the racists happy... right? A tiny bit of economic race warfare intent to create a second class never hurt anyone, right?

There are legitimate uses for government force, and it should be restrained to those cases. There's nothing that says you have to let it slide. You have very effective consumer power and can exercise that to elicit changes.
 
Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

Oh, no one is arguing you cannot argue a thing, I'm just pointing out that your argument is....wrong.

the court is wrong..why.

13th amendment-Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.

discrimination is not a crime.

a judge can only order a person to serve another person if a crime has been committed and person convicted.

you will find that administrative law was used in these cases, ..they are not criminal cases.
 
Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

The point is that money goes back to the gas company. The owner only makes a small profit on it. It's not their gas.

It's their gas once they buy it.
 
Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

All the way to the SCOTUS.

Sure, lets see if they twist the commerce clause and fourteenth amendment again, while ignoring the thirteenth amendment. That was fun the first time around.
 
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yes, force can be used when a right is violated, or the heath and safety of the public is at risk.

feelings however are not a rights violation, or public health or safety risk.

a person cannot violate constitutional law....only governments can, a person commits a crime.

a rights violation against another person is a crime, a discrimination case is administrative law, not criminal law.

you can be ordered to serve another person by a judge, but you must be convicted of a crime...that is the only way.

The point here is that this goes beyond feelings. Thus has been demonstrated several times.
 
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There are legitimate uses for government force, and it should be restrained to those cases. There's nothing that says you have to let it slide. You have very effective consumer power and can exercise that to elicit changes.

No, no, you're right. This isn't about principles and equal protection. This is about allowing at least a little bit of economic race warfare, since that doesn't really hurt. Some fraud, some aggression... those are libertarian principles after all.
 
Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

And let me know if your survival ever comes down to a cupcake and that you have no other alternative than that one shop.

Oh, please. We're not just talking frickin cupcakes:roll:
 
Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

Oh, please. We're not just talking frickin cupcakes:roll:

Which is why your generalizations into overarching government force fail.
 
Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

Oh, no one is arguing you cannot argue a thing, I'm just pointing out that your argument is....wrong.


According to nine people that said the thirteenth amendment only deals with slavery similar to what the blacks went through. Does anyone know where that is written in the amendment? Either my eyes refuse to see it or they just made that up.
 
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Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

The point is that money goes back to the gas company. The owner only makes a small profit on it. It's not their gas.


I buy gas for a wholesale price, the gas may take me weeks or months to sell it all.

I sell the gas at retail, making a little over the price I pay for it wholesale...and that is my profit.

the gas company supplying the gas, does not wait until I make profit, they want their money when the gas is delivered.
 
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that's impossible, I cannot make them subservient, because they can walk out the door at anytime.

but you can make me subservient by using the power of government to make me serve you, or the government forces me out of business.

Um, point is you are selling needed resources. If you are refusing resources to people who need them and are willingly to buy them because you are discriminating, you are making them subservient to you.
 
Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

No, that's appeal to authority which is logical fallacy. The courts ruling on something doesn't necessarily mean that the something was just.
LOL....the SCOTUS ruling is not "just"......when it let the NM courts decision AGAINST discrimination by a commercial entity stand.

Whats next?

Katzenbach v. McClung was "unjust", Blacks should not be served at a commercial entity?

Excuse me....but just how far are you willing to take your argument......all the way to Apartheid?
 
Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

LOL....the SCOTUS ruling is not "just"......when it let the NM courts decision AGAINST discrimination by a commercial entity stand.

Whats next?

Katzenbach v. McClung was "unjust", Blacks should not be served at a commercial entity?

Excuse me....but just how far are you willing to take your argument......all the way to Apartheid?

As far as it applies.
 
Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

The point here is that this goes beyond feelings. Thus has been demonstrated several times.

it has been stated, if it goes beyond feelings...then if is a rights violation by the owner, ...what is the violation, according to the rights we have under the constitution.

you have no exercisable rights on property which does not belong to you.
 
Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

I buy gas for a wholesale price, the gas may take me weeks or months to sell it all.

I sell the gas at retail, making a little over the price I pay for it wholesale...and that is my profit.

the gas company supplying the gas, does not wait until I make profit, they want their money when the gas is delivered.

Tell that to the poster who thinks that is your gas when a large part of that money belongs to the supplier.
 
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