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Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discrimination?

What's More Important - the "Right" to Discriminate, or Freedom From Discrimination?

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Federalist said:
Do you feel as if you have the right to violate the person or property of your neighbor in order to prevent him from operating a business?
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In what way do you mean?
 
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Federalist said:
You are avoiding the question of whether you feel you have the right to violate the person or property of one your neighbor in order to force him to do business with someone against his will?
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No, I'm calling out his strawman.
 
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ernst barkmann said:
no its a natural right.

i have a right to create property for myself, or obtain property from others.

are you saying when Edison invented the light blub, it was not his property, but a right to it granted by the government?
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Can you obtain that property without consent of other people who claim said property?
 
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rabbitcaebannog said:
What if someone had a natural right to piss in your yard? You have a legal right not to allow them.
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They don't have a natural right to piss in my yard though.
 
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Henrin said:
They don't have a natural right to piss in my yard though.
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Right because there are man made laws against that which was the point.
 
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rabbitcaebannog said:
Can you obtain that property without consent of other people who claim said property?
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that would be stealing .....to take property, which does not belong to you from another.

if two people claim the same property, that is a matter for ....judicial action, one reason we have governments.
 
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ernst barkmann said:
that would be stealing .....to take property, which does not belong to you from another.

if two people claim the same property, that is a matter for ....judicial action, one reason we have governments.
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I see, so it is a man made right. Thanks for clarifying.
 
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rabbitcaebannog said:
Right because there are man made laws against that which was the point.
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No, because it's my property and by someone else peeing in my yard they are acting aggressively towards my property.
 
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rabbitcaebannog said:
Right because there are man made laws against that which was the point.
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we have laws, ......against exposing yourself in preforming that action, and laws for sanitation.
 
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rabbitcaebannog said:
No, not true. I could be against government trying to take someone's land away but against a merchant discriminating against a buyer.
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And yet, once you force the merchant through the guns of government, you'd be doing nothing different from the former case.
 
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Beaudreaux said:
In what way do you mean?
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I mean do you feel the right to say to your neighbor that he may not operate a business without your permission, and then if he disobeys you to violate his person or property.
 
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Henrin said:
No, because it's my property and by someone else peeing in my yard they are acting aggressively towards my property.
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Um, people don't have to act aggressively to be kicked off your property:roll:
 
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I love when people fail to defend anti-discrimination laws they run to the idea that the government created the right to property. That is like claiming they created your body, your facilities and your labor. lol.
 
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rabbitcaebannog said:
Um, people don't have to act aggressively to be kicked off your property:roll:
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No doubt. I don't need a reason to remove someone from my property. I do however need a reason to consider something in violation of my property rights.
 
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Ikari said:
And yet, once you force the merchant through the guns of government, you'd be doing nothing different from the former case.
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That's so dishonest. You can't compare government taking your property away that was never for sale with a merchant selling a product.
 
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rabbitcaebannog said:
I see, so it is a man made right. Thanks for clarifying.
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wrong!!!!!........if two people,claim the same property......then it is the court, to determine rightful ownership of the property........that is why we have government ...to protect the [right of property].

don't act like you don't understand.

getting back to my question you did not answer.....when Edison invented the light blub, did he not have the right to it, did he not file a patten defending his natural right to it, using the power of government to defend his right of the light blub.
 
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rabbitcaebannog said:
No, I'm calling out his strawman.
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It's not a straw man. A straw man is an inaccurate portrayal of one's position. Rather, this is question regarding your position.

Do you feel you have the right to violate the person or property of one your neighbor in order to force him to do business with someone against his will?
 
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Henrin said:
No doubt. I don't need a reason to remove someone from my property. I do however need a reason to consider something in violation of my property rights.
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And they are man made laws.
 
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rabbitcaebannog said:
That's so dishonest. You can't compare government taking your property away that was never for sale with a merchant selling a product.
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The products are on sale for those the seller agrees to sell to.
 
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Henrin said:
I love when people fail to defend anti-discrimination laws they run to the idea that the government created the right to property. That is like claiming they created your body, your facilities and your labor. lol.
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yes, your correct.......everything about you is property.....and government is instituted to protect that property.
 
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rabbitcaebannog said:
And they are man made laws.
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Laws to defend property are not the origin of property. Don't be absurd.
 
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ernst barkmann said:
wrong!!!!!........if two people,claim the same property......then it is the court, to determine rightful ownership of the property........that is why we have government ...to protect the [right of property].

don't act like you don't understand.

getting back to my question you did not answer.....when Edison invented the light blub, did he not have the right to it, did he not file a patten defending his natural right to it, using the power of government to defend his right of the light blub.
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I'm going to ignore your post if you are going to act like an arse. I understood your post just fine. It was a rather silly one because in order for a government to decide who gets the land, it is all due to man made laws.

Getting back to your other question, what does that have yo do with the price of tea in a China?
 
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Henrin said:
Laws to defend property are not the origin of property. Don't be absurd.
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No, your being absurd because in order for a person to be in violation, there needs to be a man made law against it.
 
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rabbitcaebannog said:
Ah, all man made laws!
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those are, but i have a natural right to property, if government gave me the right [as you claim], then government could take away the right......government would in essence own all property in the u.s. making it a communist state in your mind.
 
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