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Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discrimination?

What's More Important - the "Right" to Discriminate, or Freedom From Discrimination?


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A history of refusing service to Pollocks would in fact be an unacceptable discrimination. However if you only discriminated against one Pollock, with no dialog to say otherwise, it'd be assumed it was for some other acceptable reason.

Ah, now that makes sense. Would being a Polish left-handed smoker qualify as an acceptable reason? I mean, everyone knows that only left handed people who smoke have problems in getting along in society - and who needs problems like that, with everything else we are expected to cope with today! That's just too much to ask! :mrgreen:

Greetings, Summerwind. :2wave:
 
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Mmmm, so people can't rule themselves, thus we must have aggressive, forceful government make people behave the way you define to be right. Nice.

Precisely. Liberal sentiments can only go so far.
 
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You don't have a right to have people accept or like or serve you even if they are in business. I discriminate in my business who I am going to serve and who I don't. For one I don't serve gang members or those I perceive to be gang members. They can sue all they want. They will NEVER be served by me or my business. My not serving you does nothing to any of your rights. Your forcing me to serve you infringes on my freedom to associate. Unless the business entity is a government made one such as a public corporation no business should cater to those they don't desire to. Its obvious as to why a government should be allowed to have its workers discriminate.

You can discriminate against gun owners too. In many places with lax gun laws, a property or business owner can outlaw firearms on their property. Got a gun? Go elsewhere. That's discrimination too, and it's perfectly valid.
 
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How is that doctor a slave Henrin:roll:

Because the law forces them into labor to satisfy another's needs
 
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It is assuming ownership, because you are demanding it and using the guns of government to obtain it. You are taking command of his labor and telling him what he can and cannot use it for. He owns a place, you assume access to it. He owns a cupcake, you assume ownership of it. You make demands and restrictions on property and labor and assume ownership of it. It's the only way to justify using the force of government against a man that wouldn't give you his cupcake in the first place. You're entitled to that cupcake, it's yours, and if he doesn't give it to you, well by gods you can use the guns of government to force him. That's the thought process. You should understand the ramifications of the philosophy you propose.

That's just ridiculous. No one is forcing you out of a cupcake. As a merchant, your job is to sell goods and services not to discriminate. If at any time you don't want to sell goods anymore, you are free to stop.
 
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Precisely. Liberal sentiments can only go so far.

People like you make me glad that we still have guns.
 
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Which is more important: the "right" to discriminate, or freedom from discrimination?

Remember, you can't have both. If a business refuses to serve someone because he's black, and he refuses to leave and the business calls the cops to enforce their "right"...it is at that moment that we have government-enforced racism.

Is that really what we want?

I can't justify initiating aggression against a person to coerce him to do business with someone against his choice. I don't think I have a right to do that.
 
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People like you make me glad that we still have guns.

Whereas I'm glad we do not leave decisions to children with wild dreams.
 
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Generally, the only places where one has a right to discriminate is in one's home (or other non-public property) or in a private membership club

If private clubs have a right to discriminate, why are they getting sued to let person x in or person y in?
 
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That's just ridiculous. No one is forcing you out of a cupcake. As a merchant, your job is to sell goods and services not to discriminate. If at any time you don't want to sell goods anymore, you are free to stop.

No one is forcing you into the business either. No one is preventing you from making your own business that is open to more people. You do not own a man's property or labor, that's it. You claim ownership of another man's labor and feel entitled to the sweat of another man's brow. It's a bit sickening, but I suppose that's the "me" first era we live in.

No one has to sell you anything of theirs, you don't own it. You don't like the outcome, so you use the guns of government to force it. That's all there is to it. Sorry if the truth hurts.
 
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Whereas I'm glad we do not leave decisions to children with wild dreams.

We essentially do. Cry baby entitled jerks who think another man's property is their own.
 
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Omitting a group does not equate to "it's okay". As a matter of fact, just because a group is not listed doesn't mean it can't be listed and if enough people are finding they are being discriminated due to a particular reason , that group of people are free to talk with their representative because discrimination is not okay.

By the way, what "nations of origin" are protected, meaning you have to engage in commerce with those people if they want to engage you?
 
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No, it's not. Can an ER doctor turn you away if you were sick or dying because he hates your religion? No, he can't as any person selling a good or service cannot.


Actually it should be his right to do as he sees fit.
 
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No one is forcing you into the business either. No one is preventing you from making your own business that is open to more people. You do not own a man's property or labor, that's it. You claim ownership of another man's labor and feel entitled to the sweat of another man's brow. It's a bit sickening, but I suppose that's the "me" first era we live in.

No one has to sell you anything of theirs, you don't own it. You don't like the outcome, so you use the guns of government to force it. That's all there is to it. Sorry if the truth hurts.

People are not free to do whatever the hell they please. That to me sounds more like the "me" first generation:doh
 
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Actually it should be his right to do as he sees fit.

And someone could die if that doctor decides he doesn't want to help you.
 
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We essentially do. Cry baby entitled jerks who think another man's property is their own.

As opposed to the hedonists who truly do not think of the greater good.
 
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People are not free to do whatever the hell they please. That to me sounds more like the "me" first generation:doh

I didn't say they were. But they are free to sell their property to whomever they want, and they are free to reap the benefits from the sweat of their brow.

Any other non sequiturs you want to throw in here? Or are we done with tangents?
 
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As opposed to the hedonists who truly do not think of the greater good.

It's true, there are many people out there unwilling to use their consumer power properly to regulate businesses and business practices. Lazy people who then turn to government and it's "boot" you love so much because they're unwilling to do what is necessary to intelligently interact with the system beforehand. But sadly, we also are listening to them. Same people, really, as the entitled jerks.
 
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By the way, what "nations of origin" are protected, meaning you have to engage in commerce with those people if they want to engage you?

National origin means nationality.
 
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I didn't say they were. But they are free to sell their property to whomever they want, and they are free to reap the benefits from the sweat of their brow.

Any other non sequiturs you want to throw in here? Or are we done with tangents?

No, they are not. Talk about a frickin non sequitur.
 
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And someone could die if that doctor decides he doesn't want to help you.

If the doctor wasn't there he would have still died. Sorry but that's the risk you take in free society, somebody may not wish to serve you even a doctor.
 
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It's true, there are many people out there unwilling to use their consumer power properly to regulate businesses and business practices. Lazy people who then turn to government and it's "boot" you love so much because they're unwilling to do what is necessary to intelligently interact with the system beforehand. But sadly, we also are listening to them. Same people, really, as the entitled jerks.

And you believe in magic. There have been people that existed in this "before government" stage that nevertheless could not be treated with dignity, no matter the voice they put out. Oh well, moral suasion is bound to work sometime. :roll:
 
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And you believe in magic. There have been people that existed in this "before government" stage that nevertheless could not be treated with dignity, no matter the voice they put out. Oh well, moral suasion is bound to work sometime. :roll:

I don't believe in magic. I believe in freedom, responsibility, and consequences
 
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If the doctor wasn't there he would have still died. Sorry but that's the risk you take in free society, somebody may not wish to serve you even a doctor.

That's not a free society but an oppressed one if you happen to be on the receiving end of hate.
 
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