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Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discrimination?

What's More Important - the "Right" to Discriminate, or Freedom From Discrimination?

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Henrin said:
No right to pick sex partners then? Strange.
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That's not the type of discrimination we're talking about. I suspect you're well aware of that.
 
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tres borrachos said:
And you know this how? That's a pretty broad statement to make. Are you telling me that blonde women have always been treated equally in this country?
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Perhaps, not so much due to hair color but more so for gender, hence protection laws for sex.
 
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rabbitcaebannog said:
Perhaps, not so much due to hair color but more so for gender, hence protection laws for sex.
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You have no idea how many people make decisions based on certain attributes. Look at all of the blonde jokes out there.

Is it okay to refuse to do business with a white Polish person because you think Polish people are stupid?

By the way, I've put up with blonde comments for years. And one of my co-workers admitted to me once that when he first saw me, he didn't want to work with me because he assumed I wasn't smart enough for the task. So it happens more than you think.
 
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tres borrachos said:
You have no idea how many people make decisions based on certain attributes. Look at all of the blonde jokes out there.

Is it okay to refuse to do business with a white Polish person because you think Polish people are stupid?

By the way, I've put up with blonde comments for years. And one of my co-workers admitted to me once that when he first saw me, he didn't want to work with me because he assumed I wasn't smart enough for the task. So it happens more than you think.
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National origin is protected too.
 
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tres borrachos said:
You said national origin. If you have a Polish name, you are of Polish descent.

:roll:
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Then you are protected, but not because of your name, but nationality.
 
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tres borrachos said:
Polish descent. You're an American with a Polish name. Can I refuse to do business with you?
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Sure, why not? Your name is difficult to pronounce, therefore you obviously aren't one of us! Next question? :mrgreen:
 
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tres borrachos said:
You said national origin. If you have a Polish name, you are of Polish descent.

:roll:
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A history of refusing service to Pollocks would in fact be an unacceptable discrimination. However if you only discriminated against one Pollock, with no dialog to say otherwise, it'd be assumed it was for some other acceptable reason.
 
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rabbitcaebannog said:
Then you are protected, but not because of your name, but nationality.
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So let me get this straight. Based on all your posts, it's okay to refuse to enter into commerce with blonde women (because they aren't a protected class), but nobody else, including white men who are 5th generation descendants of Polish people?
 
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Summerwind said:
A history of refusing service to Pollocks would in fact be an unacceptable discrimination. However if you only discriminated against one Pollock, with no dialog to say otherwise, it'd be assumed it was for some other acceptable reason.
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What is a "Pollock"?
 
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haymarket said:
Look - I have a degree in Political Science..... what the heck is body sovereignty and what does it have to do with bigotry being a key part of human rights?
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Every last right you will find is your property and they are all yours to do with as you please. All rights are based on body sovereignty and extend to everything in which the body acts upon. Therefore, all your rights, be that, the right to life, liberty, or estate, are born from property, or more to the point, the right to your own body and it's facilities. With this knowledge of your ownership of your person you will discover, as I have said, that if we were to go down the list of rights that all of them give you complete control and all of them are discriminatory in nature; in that, no one can act upon your person or property without your permission.

The fact is discrimination is an essential part of human rights and has to be protected to protect human rights. You just live in this world where somehow acting on the person or property of another is justified because they are practicing their rights in a way you don't like. It's kind of stupid, imho.
 
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tres borrachos said:
So let me get this straight. Based on all your posts, it's okay to refuse to enter into commerce with blonde women (because they aren't a protected class), but nobody else, including white men who are 5th generation descendants of Polish people?
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Actually yes, though if for some reason blondes were being regularly discriminated against in a particular venue(s), then I would guess there would be a goal to end that as well. Let us know when you're refused service for being blonde, and be sure to include context so we are sure it isn't just because you're annoying as hell.
 
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tres borrachos said:
So let me get this straight. Based on all your posts, it's okay to refuse to enter into commerce with blonde women (because they aren't a protected class), but nobody else, including white men who are 5th generation descendants of Polish people?
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Omitting a group does not equate to "it's okay". As a matter of fact, just because a group is not listed doesn't mean it can't be listed and if enough people are finding they are being discriminated due to a particular reason , that group of people are free to talk with their representative because discrimination is not okay.
 
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molten_dragon said:
That's not the type of discrimination we're talking about. I suspect you're well aware of that.
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So you admit there is a right to discriminate. Good to know.

There is a reason I picked this argument and it's because no matter what people will get trapped by it if they at all defend human rights. :D
 
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Summerwind said:
A person of Polish decent is a Pollock.
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I think the word you meant to use is "Polack", and it's a derogatory reference to a person of Polish descent.
 
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rabbitcaebannog said:
Omitting a group does not equate to "it's okay". As a matter of fact, just because a group is not listed doesn't mean it can't be listed and if enough people are finding they are being discriminated due to a particular reason , that group of people are free to talk with their representative because discrimination is not okay.
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It obviously is ok unless somehow it is wrong for people to make choices in their life.
 
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tres borrachos said:
I think the word you meant to use is "Polack", and it's a derogatory reference to a person of Polish descent.
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Perhaps a misspelling, as is yours according to spellchecker. Please then elaborate as to the accurate and acceptable term. The Pollacks I've known call themselves Pollacks. I've never heard an alternative. Polandians?
 
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Glen Contrarian said:
Which is more important: the "right" to discriminate, or freedom from discrimination?

Remember, you can't have both. If a business refuses to serve someone because he's black, and he refuses to leave and the business calls the cops to enforce their "right"...it is at that moment that we have government-enforced racism.

Is that really what we want?
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I don't think there really is a right to be "free from discrimination", however that would be interpreted.
 
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rabbitcaebannog said:
What?
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How do you have the freedom to make choices in your life towards your own person and your property if you can't discriminate? The real harm of these laws is that they fundamentally violate the sovereignty of people.
 
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Henrin said:
How do you have the freedom to make choices in your life towards your own person and your property if you can't discriminate?
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Knock yourself out. Don't let me stop you from discriminating but if you own a business, you can put that hatred aside to sell your goods to 'people'.
 
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