View Poll Results: What's More Important - the "Right" to Discriminate, or Freedom From Discrimination?

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    38 33.04%
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    77 66.96%
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Thread: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discrimination?

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by tacomancer View Post
    Well, luckily for us, most of the US society has much more reasonable and balanced beliefs.
    It is my view that the sovereignty of every individual must at all times be held inviolable. Every one should be free to dispose of his person, his time, and his property as he pleases at alway their own cost.

    That is very reasonable, imho. Please though, explain to me how it is unreasonable.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by FederalRepublic View Post
    Actually you're referring to a law that demanded discrimination. That is easily differentiated (you might say discriminated) from laws that allow or disallow discrimination.
    The laws may be different, but the end effect is the same. A racist business refuses to serve blacks, and blacks will come in and sit at the counter and demand to be served - just like they did in the Civil Right struggle. The business will call the cops...and the cops - being forced to enforce the law - will physically remove the blacks...

    ...which means we now have government-enforced racism. Back to Jim Crow.

    Is that really the America you want to see?
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    The times societies have been most oppressive has been when people have been perceived by a society as less than and they've been refused to participate in basic everyday activities including business transactions like their counterparts which were perceived more Nobel or just plain superior.
    The backhanded point I was trying to make is that there have always been, and will always be those who are perceived by society as less than themselves. It's true of every society. It's not something you can fix, and it's not necessarily even a bad thing. If a society shuns an asshole, well there's a lesson to be had in that.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by FederalRepublic View Post
    Actually, you can't have freedom from discrimination in any real sense of the words. If a business refuses to serve someone who is a complete dick, well that's discrimination. I discriminated against all the women out there who aren't married to me, for all sorts of reasons. For that matter, I discriminated against all the guys out there too. If a guy came into my house and demanded that I perform a service for him, and then refused to leave when I said no and I called the cops to enforce my right...it is at that moment that we have government-enforced discrimination.

    Frankly, I can see a very good argument in favor of anti-discrimination laws, but generally if a law forcing a racist to associate with someone he didn't want to associate with is "necessary", wouldn't it be just as likely to increase racial tensions?
    Your HOUSE is not a BUSINESS that is open to the PUBLIC.

    You can do or say whatever the heck you want inside your HOUSE. But in a business open to the public? No.
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    The laws may be different, but the end effect is the same. A racist business refuses to serve blacks, and blacks will come in and sit at the counter and demand to be served - just like they did in the Civil Right struggle. The business will call the cops...and the cops - being forced to enforce the law - will physically remove the blacks...

    ...which means we now have government-enforced racism. Back to Jim Crow.

    Is that really the America you want to see?
    No, it means they are defending the owners right to control who can enter his property and sits at his counters.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    OPINION is not the same thing as "We won't serve you here because you're black". You can have any OPINION you want...but you cannot take any physical action that you want.
    True. We are speaking freedom of expression of an opinion. I dislike the opinion and the means of expression. I also think that in a half way healthy community or country it will do more harm to bar this freedom than the hurt it causes. Again, it is discrimination by the individual not the state I am talking about. If it were the state we are speaking about something else.
    The only argument I could see would be a requirement that businesses must supply the public without exception. But that can run into problems as well.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    How was it devastating to minorities? Please explain?
    Seen "12 Years a Slave" yet?

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    That discrimination is just because it provides real value to the university and society. Do you believe "black free shopping" provides real value to society? Let's start differentiating between just and unjust discrimination.
    If I can decide what is allowed and not, you might be able to sway me.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Then demanding the right be recognized by the USSC, as if it doesn't exist otherwise, is BS.
    Seriously...how often do your friends look at you and say "WTF are you talking about?"

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    SAID IT BEFORE:

    nothing can be a right, if it lays a cost or burden, on a fellow citizen.

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