View Poll Results: What's More Important - the "Right" to Discriminate, or Freedom From Discrimination?

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    38 33.04%
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    77 66.96%
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by 1750Texan View Post
    your example lacks reason.

    what was the reason the person was asked to leave? the police officer is not condoning racism if he asks the person to leave. All the police officer knows is that the person is tresspassing. The officer is not there to judge the validity of a civil rights claim.

    the courts decide if the action of the owner was a violation of the person's constitutional right.
    Bullcrap. The cop knows why. So does the black. So does the business owner. And so do the reporters filming it for all the world to see.

    You can pretend behind "the cop only knows this or that"...but you know better...and so would everyone else.
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by tacomancer View Post
    Everyone is overthinking this.

    People do business all the time (I sold stuff on ebay the other day, for example), but if they acquire a business license (which gives certain rights, like limited liability) then they have to conform to some laws such as no discrimination against certain classes.

    That's it, its no big deal and nobody is losing anything since they don't have to volunteer to get a business license anyway. That's life, there is a trade off and people act like its some sort of horrible thing that they have to make a trade off.
    No society should ever accept their government taking away their sovereignty.

    I will give you a like for every post you make in the next week if you know who said that originally.

    Anyway, if the individual wants to open a business they will need to agree to a business license and unless they want a club, it will need to be a public accommodation. There really isn't much choice available.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by mpg View Post
    Even if they could prove that they were refused service, how would they prove that it was racially motivated?
    If the guy makes a racist statement to several of them...OR if they can document (on paper or on video) that he is serving only whites and refuses service to blacks.
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    No society should ever accept their government taking away their sovereignty.

    I will give you a like for every post you make in the next week if you know who said that originally. Hint: It was an anarchist.

    Anyway, if the individual wants to open a business they will need to agree to a business license and unless they want a club, it will need to be a public accommodation. There really isn't much choice available.
    Well, luckily for us, most of the US society has much more reasonable and balanced beliefs.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    Do we really want a society that prevents freely voiced opinion? And isn't it discriminatory to give someone a place in a university in preference to another, who is much better at such work simply because the person comes from a minority?
    Should a gay woman be treated first in an emergency room simply because she is gay?
    I guess it's a matter of one's point of view.
    OPINION is not the same thing as "We won't serve you here because you're black". You can have any OPINION you want...but you cannot take any physical action that you want.
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    And isn't it discriminatory to give someone a place in a university in preference to another, who is much better at such work simply because the person comes from a minority?
    That discrimination is just because it provides real value to the university and society. Do you believe "black free shopping" provides real value to society? Let's start differentiating between just and unjust discrimination.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    No individual has the right to violate (or threaten to violate) the body or property of his fellow man in order to coerce him into engaging in trade with someone against his will. That's a complete and blatant unjustified initiation of aggression.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    That is faulty logic because what you are saying is people are oppressed if they can't act the way they please. Sorry, but we do have restrictions on how we conduct ourselves whether you find that oppressive or not.
    We do have restrictions on how we conduct ourselves. They are properly based around whether our actions cause (or have the potential to cause) injury to others. Real, verifiable injury.

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    People most often have legal recourse when someone does wrong. It's a fact of life. We have laws for reasons. There is no law that would hang him by his toenails, but she could have still went after him legally. Many divorce cases end that way. Very rarely do people walk Scott free.
    No. People do not most often have legal recourse when someone does them wrong. That is a fact of life. There was no legal recourse for Elizabeth Edwards because her husband was a complete dick. There's no law against being a dick, and there shouldn't be. Everyone has a different standard for what would constitute "being a dick". I don't have a right to enforce my standard of dickish behavior on John Edwards (even if I think society would be infinitely better off with people like him hanging by their toenails instead of running for president). Maybe you want the type of society where law and punishment is based on people's thoughts and intentions. Personally I don't believe it would be anything other than utterly oppressive.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by faithful_servant View Post
    I take it you didn't read my post or you read it, failed to understand and just posted a non-sequitur in response. Go back read my post again and take a little time to actually think about what I said, then try again....
    No, guy, I read your post quite well. It's chock-full of broad-brush assumptions. Google "broad-brush logical fallacy" sometime.
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    Was it the way I wrote it or the concept?
    I don't understand what you were trying to say, so if there's a concept, I don't know what it is.

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