View Poll Results: What's More Important - the "Right" to Discriminate, or Freedom From Discrimination?

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    Neither of those examples are preventing a person from engaging in trade which any person willingly to follow rules they can control (like behavior) should do with a business, otherwise all that is being produced is oppression.
    Example 2 prevents the shopkeeper from engaging in trade. If I walk out of his shop because I don't like the color of his skin, I am preventing him from engaging in trade.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    There are plenty of lessons to be learned from history if we are willing to listen. No society that shuns people due to attributes they have no control of changing has been a free society. It has been the exact opposite. It has been an extremely oppressive and repressive one. On the other hand, civil rights laws exist now and I'm not seeing merchants oppressed because they have to put their prejudices aside in order to conduct business.
    Tell that to Rush Limbaugh who has repeatedly had companies take away their ads from his show because he refuses to put his prejudices aside.
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Not in today's day and age. Internet FTW! You are once again assuming that a person cannot get X product. The ONLY places that I think should not be allowed to discriminate is government owned businesses/services and anything that is dependent on an individual living. If I were to refuse to sell an Ipod to someone because of their skin color that person can easily go out to someplace else and get it. No one has a right to force me into serving them. We abolished that with the 13th and 14th Amendment.
    If you own a business try telling people they are not allowed to buy your goods because they are black or Jewish or insert whatever attribute, and see if there is no recourse. The 13th and the 14th Amendments don't give you the power to oppress people.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Tell that to Rush Limbaugh who has repeatedly had companies take away their ads from his show because he refuses to put his prejudices aside.
    No one said we are not free to hate and be prejudice. There is a difference when that hate and prejudice prevents people to engage in everyday activities including business.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    If you own a business try telling people they are not allowed to buy your goods because they are black or Jewish or insert whatever attribute, and see if there is no recourse. The 13th and the 14th Amendments don't give you the power to oppress people.
    1: Considering the laws of today I have no choice in who I sell to or not. You think thats fine and dandy. I don't. We're not talking about what is or isn't. We're talking about "What's More Important - the "Right" to Discriminate, or Freedom From Discrimination?" Which is an opinion based question.

    2: You're right, the 13th and 14th amendments does not give me the power to oppress people. In fact it prevents it. Which means you do not have the power to force me to serve you. That is oppression, in fact it is the exact kind of oppression that the 13th and 14th amendments were designed to put a stop to. And that is what you are argueing for. Forcing people to sell products to you whether they want to or not. Why do you think you have a right to oppress me?
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    1: Considering the laws of today I have no choice in who I sell to or not. You think thats fine and dandy. I don't. We're not talking about what is or isn't. We're talking about "What's More Important - the "Right" to Discriminate, or Freedom From Discrimination?" Which is an opinion based question.

    2: You're right, the 13th and 14th amendments does not give me the power to oppress people. In fact it prevents it. Which means you do not have the power to force me to serve you. That is oppression, in fact it is the exact kind of oppression that the 13th and 14th amendments were designed to put a stop to. And that is what you are argueing for. Forcing people to sell products to you whether they want to or not. Why do you think you have a right to oppress me?
    Business is suppose to be objective. The person engaging in a business transaction is still free to hate. If they hate black, Jewish or insert any attribute, they can go out and burn a cross, or whatever (violence not included) after they finish their business transaction.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    Business is suppose to be objective. The person engaging in a business transaction is still free to hate. If they hate black, Jewish or insert any attribute, they can go out and burn a cross, or whatever (violence not included) after they finish their business transaction.
    1: Who says business is suppose to be objective? And what proof do you have that it HAS to be objective?

    2: We're not talking about businesses. We're talking about the people that run a business vs the buyers.
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    1: Who says business is suppose to be objective? And what proof do you have that it HAS to be objective?

    2: We're not talking about businesses. We're talking about the people that run a business vs the buyers.
    Business is a transaction. If people want to look at it as liberty then they must realize liberty needs to be for both parties. The only way to do this is to not attach emotions to transactions. If you do, you run the risk of producing an oppressive society.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by FederalRepublic View Post
    So if I simply lock the door to my store and give all the white people in the neighborhood a key, it's now a private business and perfectly ok, in your mind? That's pretty ****ed up.
    No one can be that dense.


    Quote Originally Posted by FederalRepublic View Post
    Remedial study of the English language. "Recognized" and "created" are not interchangeable.
    Remedial logic. As they do not create rights, their explicit recognition is not an exhaustive list.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    It's control over whether another person gets to purchase a resource or not.
    Maybe if you have the last one.

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