View Poll Results: What's More Important - the "Right" to Discriminate, or Freedom From Discrimination?

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    38 33.04%
  • Freedom From Discrimination

    77 66.96%
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    We're discussing public business. Do try to keep the topic in mind.
    No. We're discussing private business. "Private" and "public" are also not interchangeable.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Summerwind View Post
    And not selling to someone who is neither harming you or your business is..... I bet you've figured it out.
    ...your business.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    I'm sick of people thinking they have a right to slaves.
    No kidding. That's so 19th century. It's pathetic, really.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    No one is forcing you to open a public business.



    Just not for blacks, obviously. You would like to limit their freedom of movement, business association and opportunity in the public sphere. Because you want to wage economic war against a group in attempt to create a second class citizenry. Well, too bad... one cannot wage race war in the public sphere. Keep it to your private clubs. We will not have that senseless aggression poisoning our free market.
    Nice Newspeak. Big brother will be pleased.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    I'm saying that if you want to stay away from black people, you are free to do so in the private sphere. If you open a business to the public, then the government is obligated to provide equal protection to those in the public sphere.

    No one forces you to place a business in the public sphere.
    So if I simply lock the door to my store and give all the white people in the neighborhood a key, it's now a private business and perfectly ok, in your mind? That's pretty ****ed up.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Where are you getting this idea from? We are people - not property. You are ascribing some absolute right where there is none. And all because you want to be a bigot.
    Actually it's because he supports your right to be a bigot, which you have chosen to be with this statement. You have every right to be a bigot, but's it's not flattering.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    no ....the constitution states the government shall create no law, which makes some people an exception to the law.

    all laws made by government has to apply to all the people equally..........bill gates cannot be exempt from law because he has money......because he lobby's government.
    I have an idea. How about we write an anti-discrimination law protecting business people from customers. If Peter only buys from white guys, the black store owners should be able to sue for discrimination, right? What about all the people who listen to P Diddy (or Puffy, or Sniffy, or whatever the hell he's calling himself today) and don't trade their money (property) in the public sphere for some of Vanilla Ice's products? Sounds racist to me.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    The right to engage in trade. That goes with a person's liberty.
    You do have a right to engage in trade. You do not have a right to engage in trade with me if I don't want to trade with you.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become more corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters.
    Benjamin Franklin

    The bottom line, yes in principle people should have rights and freedoms but if a people have proven themselves to use their freedom to pursue injustice then its understandable that their freedom will in time have limits. I do not think limiting freedom is ever a good thing but its better than injustice.

    This principle applies to many areas. For example: as someone who has lived in high density black areas at times im my life, I used to think it was unfair that grocery stores erected barricades that prevented shoppers from taking their groceries to their cars in shopping carts. Meanwhile the same exact grocery store chain did not erect barricades in more affluent suburban neighborhoods. Then this very principle dawned on me. The only reason the stores did this is because people were stealing the shopping carts in some neighborhoods and not in others. In fact they were actually doing the shoppers in higher shopping cart theft areas a favor by making sure they had shopping carts to use in the store and keeping prices as low as possible by not having to replace shopping carts constantly. Some communities have proven they are not virtuous enough to have gun rights without limits is another example. I love freedom but according to the Founding Fathers, only virtuous people are capable of freedom without restrictions.
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    So, if someone runs out of gas next to your gas station and you deny them gas because you don't like their race, should they be concerned because they are offended or because they need to get home and want to purchase the gas you sell? If you just want to offend someone wear an offensive shirt but not selling them the gas is unethical to trade.
    Unethical, yep. Cheating in a football game is unethical. Lying is unethical too. Maybe we should have outlawed that before they passed obamacare...

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