View Poll Results: What's More Important - the "Right" to Discriminate, or Freedom From Discrimination?

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  • The Right to Discriminate

    38 33.04%
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    77 66.96%
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Thread: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discrimination?

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    So, to deny someone a service that you normally provide, strictly because of discrimination, that you believe will stop them from dying should be legal to you.

    Noted.

    And might I add...your attitude on this is disgusting.


    Good day.
    I can't imagine the guy that runs a business a 100 miles from any potential customers can even afford to stay in business for long, let alone deny anyone service. That guy is clearly retarded for starting a business in the middle of ****ing nowhere.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by 1750Texan View Post
    Selling property[real] and selling a product[goods and services] is not the same.

    There is a differnce in selling my truck[property] on craigslist and having a car lot[property][business][rules, regulations, laws]selling cars to the public.
    No. Not really. Technically, maybe, but not in a philosophical sense. It's still a private contract between two individuals. The fact that the guy with the car lot makes private contracts with multiple individuals doesn't change the nature of the transaction.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    It's been said various times that no one is taking anything. The scenario is a merchant is selling something but wants to withhold it from someone he views as less than himself due to prejudices/discrimination. That is control.
    Yes, it is control...of private property, which is what the whole concept of private property is about. If you own it, you control it. If you don't own it, then you have to trade something of equal value (to the person who does own it) in exchange. That precisely why you won't give me your car keys. They are yours and you control them. If I want to control them, I have to get your permission...

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    There is none. No right by which any individual may do so. I've stated that. Not even the government will attempt to change anyone's behavior.
    You may want to think about that bolded part for a minute or two...

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Christonacracker, that list encompasses just about everyone in the country. You fall into one of those categories somewhere. I am of Irish and German descent. I would assume (if the laws are FAIR) that both of them qualify for "National Origin".

    If "Religion" is a protected class, why the angst against the people whose religious beliefs tell them that sodomy is a sin (NO, I am not in that number, just thinking aloud).

    Redheads should not be a protected class. Blondes, on the other hand, should. I am blonde.
    Not only that, what do we do in the event of a conflict of protected classes? Some are obviously more equal than others...

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    And you have a funny sense of liberty. Of course, I realize its just a smokescreen and by itself means anything you want it to mean.

    What does a person controlling their reproductive processes have to do with being a bigot and denying other people public accommodations?
    None of this discussion is about public accommodations. It's about private accommodations, which you think some should have to make and others should not.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    Which is more important: the "right" to discriminate, or freedom from discrimination?

    Remember, you can't have both. If a business refuses to serve someone because he's black, and he refuses to leave and the business calls the cops to enforce their "right".
    ..it is at that moment that we have government-enforced racism.






    Is that really what we want?



    Wrong. At that moment you are headed for court, where it will get sorted out.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    what are these protected classes i here so much about please list them. Then give me an example of a person who isnt in one because I cant think of any.
    Protected classes are groups of people, not individuals, and there are an infinite number of classes of people that are not protected. People named Steve, people with mullets, people with third nipples, people who live on third street...

    Since rabbit hates the Sanchez's, it would be perfectly legal for him to discriminate against them as long as he doesn't discriminate against them on the basis of one of the protected class. The fact that they are in a protected class (race, religion, gender, etc) does not give them equal protection under the law if all classes are not protected. This is why I have a particular problem with the law dividing people into groups in the first place. Equal protection under the law is not even possible since there are an infinite number of groups of people.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by FederalRepublic View Post
    No. Not really. Technically, maybe, but not in a philosophical sense. It's still a private contract between two individuals. The fact that the guy with the car lot makes private contracts with multiple individuals doesn't change the nature of the transaction.


    The contract I was speaking of, as in the case of the car lot, is the contract the lot owner has with the city, state and feds to run his business.

    The business is his property, but he agrees[contract] to run his business in accordance with the rules, regulations, laws and benefits of these entities.

    He is bound[thru contract] by the rules, regulations and laws from the city, county, state and fed.


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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Your lawn is not public business.
    That's correct. It's a private business transaction. Draw back the curtain and let the sunshine in...

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