View Poll Results: What's More Important - the "Right" to Discriminate, or Freedom From Discrimination?

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    77 66.96%
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    The states never granted themselves the power to regulate business either and I fail to see how the equal protection clause gives the government the power to regulate business. The amendment deals with states, not business.
    The states have laws regulating commerce. If they didn't grant themselves the power to do so, how could they have done so?

    I just don't know how to help you understand how the Equal Protection Clause can effect commerce if you don't see the obvious correlation yourself. Commerce - businesses - licensed to grant the right to enter into commerce - laws regulating commerce - businesses by law must provide services and products to everyone legally eligible to enter into commerce with the business as a part of their license - - - and so on. Equal Protection Clause - laws regulate commerce - each person is guaranteed equal protection under those laws.
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    The states have laws regulating commerce. If they didn't grant themselves the power to do so, how could they have done so?
    The same way the federal government did. They just passed a law and then got the courts to agree it was constitutional.

    I just don't know how to help you understand how the Equal Protection Clause can effect commerce if you don't see the obvious correlation yourself. Commerce - businesses - licensed to grant the right to enter into commerce - laws regulating commerce - businesses by law must provide services and products to everyone legally eligible to enter into commerce with the business as a part of their license - - - and so on. Equal Protection Clause - laws regulate commerce - each person is guaranteed equal protection under those laws.
    The equal protection clause only applies to government, not private citizens. You can't rule the government has the power to regulate commerce with the equal protection clause, but you can argue that such and such law has to apply to everyone under the equal protection clause. In order to make that argument however you first have to rule that the government has the power to do whatever that law does, which would require another clause.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    The same way the federal government did. They just passed a law and then got the courts to agree it was constitutional.



    The equal protection clause only applies to government, not private citizens. You can't rule the government has the power to regulate commerce with the equal protection clause, but you can argue that such and such law has to apply to everyone under the equal protection clause. In order to make that argument however you first have to rule that the government has the power to do whatever that law does, which would require another clause.
    Bless your heart. The states have the power to enact any law that the legislatures deem salient to their state; as ling as that law doesn't conflict with the US Constitution or the supremacy of federal law.

    And, this includes regulating commerce. In fact, regulating commerce is one of the cornerstones of a state's function.
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    Which is more important: the "right" to discriminate, or freedom from discrimination?

    Remember, you can't have both. If a business refuses to serve someone because he's black, and he refuses to leave and the business calls the cops to enforce their "right"...it is at that moment that we have government-enforced racism.

    Is that really what we want?
    you are being racist ,not government
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    Bless your heart. The states have the power to enact any law that the legislatures deem salient to their state; as ling as that law doesn't conflict with the US Constitution or the supremacy of federal law.

    And, this includes regulating commerce. In fact, regulating commerce is one of the cornerstones of a state's function.
    So where is this power in any of the state constitutions?

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    So where is this power in any of the state constitutions?
    Where are the prohibitions to do so?
    Everything in your life is a reflection of a choice you have made. If you want a different result, don't blame someone else, or expect others to make a change, you should stop complaining and make a different choice. Remember, the circumstances of your birth don't determine the outcome of your life.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    Where are the prohibitions to do so?
    What? State Constitutions grant powers to the state governments to do certain things, and like it is with the US Constitution and the federal government, anything not listed they can't do.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    So, you're saying making a transaction with someone whose race you may not like is like slavery?
    no... forcing a person to serve another person is like slavery

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    So then you think it's ok if blacks are denied service by the power company.

    They can use lanterns and boil water with firewood, right? That's not much more inconvenient than going to a store that's farther away.
    did not say that, I said, there is no justification for taking a person rights......unless they committing a crime, or causing a health or safety issue.

    the idea you believe can put constitutional law to one side because you don't like what is says is dangerous.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Its the same song with different words - but the old line segregationists were far more honest with their views half a century ago. Not all this BS about property and you own yourself and all sort of nonsense and pure BS designed to do the same thing - allow bigotry.

    When you guys on the far right scream against people with emotions it boggles the mind to think of the right wing like lobotomized Mr. Spocks completely devoid of any human feeling. I guess that explains so many of your issue positins as the consideration for the problems and situations of real people never into your theory and abstract BS.

    and your words are the same, take away rights of bigots, racist or what ever cause they have I don't like.

    you are statist, who believes everything comes from state......even rights

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