View Poll Results: What's More Important - the "Right" to Discriminate, or Freedom From Discrimination?

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    I also forgot education.
    Fire and police service?

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    Well you just said southern governments did then said government can't. That's a little contradictory.
    I said southern governments did....

    the civil rights act of 1964 put an end to that unlawful activity by governments, which cannot discriminate according to constitutional law.

    however the civil rights act has been applied to individual citizens, and that is also unlawful......because the constitution states no one can be forced to serve another citizen, which is what government is doing.

    the 14th amendment applies to government only, the civil rights act of 64 is illegally allowing government to give civil rights [privileges] to people, on other people's property...a violation of constitutional law.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    I said southern governments did....

    the civil rights act of 1964 put an end to that unlawful activity by governments, which cannot discriminate according to constitutional law.

    however the civil rights act has been applied to individual citizens, and that is also unlawful......because the constitution states no one can be forced to serve another citizen, which is what government is doing.
    That's not what the constitution states.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    do you know of a case were this has happened?
    You can't deal with it as a hypothetical, can you? That's because it illustrates where the racists are going with their BS about 'freedom to associate' in public business.

    Hey, blacks can get some firewood to boil water. That's really not much more of an inconvenience than having to go to a store slightly farther away.

    And if the local vet will not serve blacks, they can always just go to the next town.

    These small inconveniences are nothing compared to the evil government protecting everyone from such practice - right?
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    That's not what the constitution states.
    really?

    13th--Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.

    14th--All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

    the 14th amendment was original written for slaves only giving them civil rights[privileges], this confirmed by the slaughterhouse case of 1873. however in the 20th century, the court applied it to every citizen.

    so federal, state, and local governments cannot discriminate.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Actually, the federal government doesn't have the power to regulate business. They have the power to keep trade regular between the states, but they don't have the power to control business activities. The states on the other hand, never granted themselves the power to regulate business either in any of their constitutions, so in effect, no one has the power to regulate business.
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    You can't deal with it as a hypothetical, can you? That's because it illustrates where the racists are going with their BS about 'freedom to associate' in public business.

    Hey, blacks can get some firewood to boil water. That's really not much more of an inconvenience than having to go to a store slightly farther away.

    And if the local vet will not serve blacks, they can always just go to the next town.

    These small inconveniences are nothing compared to the evil government protecting everyone from such practice - right?
    does freedom of association exist?

    does right to property exist?

    then why do you believe you can take away peoples rights...because their actions are offensive to you.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    really?

    13th--Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.

    14th--All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

    the 14th amendment was original written for slaves only giving them civil rights[privileges], this confirmed by the slaughterhouse case of 1873. however in the 20th century, the court applied it to every citizen.

    so federal, state, and local governments cannot discriminate.
    So, you're saying making a transaction with someone whose race you may not like is like slavery?

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    I have to hand it to you. You made me laugh harder than I have in a very long time. Thank you for that. My life has been full of heartache and pain lately, and I needed that.
    The Congress shall have Power To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several states, and with the Indian tribes;
    Notice how business and consumers are not included as parties that the congress can regulate commerce among? They can keep trade regular between states, but that has nothing to do with business or their customers.
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    does freedom of association exist?

    does right to property exist?

    then why do you believe you can take away peoples rights...because their actions are offensive to you.
    So then you think it's ok if blacks are denied service by the power company.

    They can use lanterns and boil water with firewood, right? That's not much more inconvenient than going to a store that's farther away.

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