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Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discrimination?

What's More Important - the "Right" to Discriminate, or Freedom From Discrimination?

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Glen Contrarian said:
So if people can't eat or can't see the doctor because the only places in town won't serve them because of their skin color or religion, that's fine with you.
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No. It's not fine with me. However, I do not condone the initiation of violence against my fellow man, so I can't support a law that uses violence (or the threat thereof) to coerce someone to engage in trade against his will.

However, I'm sure the doctor has friends, children, relatives, associates, and suppliers who can influence him to change his ways .
 
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AlbqOwl said:
Nobody with any business sense would do that because of the bad reputation it would give him with his other patrons. But if a business owner was that stupid, and his customers left him because of it, well so be it. He has no right to have customers who don't want to do business with him.

But you still are dancing all around the principle involved here. We each have the right to our own opinions, thoughts, beliefs, and attitudes or we don't. If we don't, then somebody else is given power to dictate those to us and we have no liberty, no unalienable rights, no other real rights of any kind.

For one person to presume the moral authority to dictate to another person what that person must speak, think, believe, appreciate, or whatever or else he/she will be subject to an angry, viscious attack on his/her person or property by some self-righteous mob is just plain unAmerican. It is wrong. It is evil. And no person with any sense of liberty, unalienable rights, justice, or right and wrong should condone it.
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People aren't telling you what to think or believe/appreciate. All that is being expected is for each consumer to be treated like humans. You are still free to dislike them or believe whatever the heck you like. Those attitudes shouldn't spill over into conducting business.
 
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AlbqOwl said:
I have walked out of a restaurant when the proprietor refused service to a young black man. I have refused to do business with a dry cleaners who refused to accept dry cleaning from a local Hispanic family. I am not any kind of fan of those who would discriminate against somebody because of their race or ethnicity. But nobody questioned the right of either proprietor to run their business as they saw fit. There was no organized protest. No threats. No violence of any kind. Just a quiet boycott among people who preferred to do business with those they saw as more fair and just in their business practices and each making up their minds on their own about that.

Both of those proprietors eventually came around and changed their policies, if not their attitudes. And they got their customers back. The people didn't see their attitudes as anybody's business. So long as the business practices were ethical and just, that was sufficient. That is the way it should work at all times. Not people dictating to others who and what they have to be in order to be acceptable. But a culture simply living their individual live with their own individual code of ethics. It was effective. It was American. It was good.
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Many times people use boycotts when these types of things happen. That wouldn't be necessary if business practices are were ethical and just.
 
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rabbitcaebannog said:
People aren't telling you what to think or believe/appreciate. All that is being expected is for each consumer to be treated like humans. You are still free to dislike them or believe whatever the heck you like. Those attitudes shouldn't spill over into conducting business.
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When you presume to dictate to a person what he/she must do with his/her own private property or else, that is the same thing. The thought police should have no power to dictate to us how we must use our private property than they should have power to dictate to us what is proper for us to think, write, speak.
 
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AlbqOwl said:
When you presume to dictate to a person what he/she must do with his/her own private property or else, that is the same thing. The thought police should have no power to dictate to us how we must use our private property than they should have power to dictate to us what is proper for us to think, write, speak.
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No, it doesn't.
 
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rabbitcaebannog said:
Many times people use boycotts when these types of things happen. That wouldn't be necessary if business practices are were ethical and just.
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It wasn't necessary in this case at all. Because in this small town, people respected the right of other people to be who and what they were without some self righteous do-gooders assuming they had the right to dictate to these people how they were required to conduct their business or be physically and/or materially punished. If you believe in individual liberty and/or unalienable rights, then you allow people to be right, wrong, smart, stupid, wise, foolish and deal with the consequences of their choices so long as they are violating nobody else's rights. You don't presume the authority or righteous license to dictate to them who and what they must be.
 
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AlbqOwl said:
It wasn't necessary in this case at all. Because in this small town, people respected the right of other people to be who and what they were without some self righteous do-gooders assuming they had the right to dictate to these people how they were required to conduct their business or be physically and/or materially punished. If you believe in individual liberty and/or unalienable rights, then you allow people to be right, wrong, smart, stupid, wise, foolish and deal with the consequences of their choices so long as they are violating nobody else's rights. You don't presume the authority or righteous license to dictate to them who and what they must be.
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The entire point is they are violating someone else's right.
 
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AlbqOwl said:
When you presume to dictate to a person what he/she must do with his/her own private property or else, that is the same thing. The thought police should have no power to dictate to us how we must use our private property than they should have power to dictate to us what is proper for us to think, write, speak.
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The thought police never think they are in fact, the thought police.
 
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rabbitcaebannog said:
The entire point is they are violating someone else's right.
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They aren't, and even if they were-that does not make it ok to violate his in return. People dont lose their rights because you dont like how they use them.
 
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US Conservative said:
They aren't, and even if they were-that does not make it ok to violate his in return. People dont lose their rights because you dont like how they use them.
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Yes, the point is they are violating another's right.
 
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rabbitcaebannog said:
The entire point is they are violating someone else's right.
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No. The point is they are NOT violating anybody else's rights.
 
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rabbitcaebannog said:
You don't think human rights are rights?
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You think it is your right that someone allow you access to their own property or that someone engage in exchange with you?
 
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Federalist said:
You think it is your right that someone allow you access to their own property or that someone engage in exchange with you?
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Yes, business isn't personal.
 
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rabbitcaebannog said:
Yes, the point is they are violating another's right.
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I dont think so. Your lefty entitlement is showing.
Its curious you dont extend your line of thought to choice in public schools.
Isn't that interesting?
 
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rabbitcaebannog said:
Yes, business isn't personal.
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So you think it is your right that someone doing business must allow you access to their property. It's their property, why do you consider yourself the master over other people that you can use force against them to make them allow people access to their property? Do you think we are all equal, or do you think that you have some sort of divine right that gives you authority over your fellow man?
 
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US Conservative said:
I dont think so. Your lefty entitlement is showing.
Its curious you dont extend your line of thought to choice in public schools.
Isn't that interesting?
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Your simplistic thinking is showing with your partisan crap.
 
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Federalist said:
So you think it is your right that someone doing business must allow you access to their property. It's their property, why do you consider yourself the master over other people that you can use force against them to make them allow people access to their property? Do you think we are all equal, or do you think that you have some sort of divine right that gives you authority over your fellow man?
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No, no one should play master including the business owner. People should be treated like humans unless they are not acting appropriate.
 
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rabbitcaebannog said:
Your simplistic thinking is showing with your partisan crap.
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And you demonstrate well known lefty tolerance-by proclaiming that any who disagree with your are either simplistic or partisan. Also interesting.
 
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US Conservative said:
And you demonstrate well known lefty tolerance-by proclaiming that any who disagree with your are either simplistic or partisan. Also interesting.
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Yep, and you're both.
 
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rabbitcaebannog said:
No, no one should play master including the business owner. People should be treated like humans unless they are not acting appropriate.
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Only master over access to his own property, not over his fellow man.

You want to rule other people on their own property. You must think that you have some sort of divine right to rule your fellow man on his own property.
 
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Federalist said:
Only master over access to his own property, not over his fellow man.

You want to rule other people on their own property. You must think that you have some sort of divine right to rule your fellow man on his own property.
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He shouldn't have his business open to public access if he wants to exclude people.
 
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rabbitcaebannog said:
He shouldn't have his business open to public access if he wants to exclude people.
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Its a private business, and we dont (yet) live in a fascist nation where the govt tells private businesses what to do.

What is it about freedom that you find so despicable? Why do you lose sleep over how you can FORCE others to do as you seem fit?
 
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rabbitcaebannog said:
He shouldn't have his business open to public access if he wants to exclude people.
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Says the master who feels he has divine right to dictate how other people must allow others access to their property.
 
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US Conservative said:
Its a private business, and we dont (yet) live in a fascist nation where the govt tells private businesses what to do.

What is it about freedom that you find so despicable? Why do you lose sleep over how you can FORCE others to do as you seem fit?
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Is it fascist to tell a business owner he can't sexually harass someone?
 
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